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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No it doesn't.
    People, specifically those that were born with disabilities, didn't ask to be this way, it's a product of random nature, that they don't have all the faculties of a human born without a disability.
    It's rather a statement of fact, that they tend to be the lesser among us, but my personal beliefs hold me to support them for this fault of nature.

    That's real unfairness, it's not made up.
    Something the current health care bill never addressed is how the government of the U.S.A. puts limits on the life of those who are disabled.
    All the while, everyone else whines about expensive premiums and having to pay for birth control.
    And none of us chose for them to have disabilities either. How does them not choosing to have the disability make the rest of society responsible for their misfortune?

    My beliefs hold me to support them also. My beliefs also hold me not to compel another to do so.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    All of the above.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    And none of us chose for them to have disabilities either. How does them not choosing to have the disability make the rest of society responsible for their misfortune?

    My beliefs hold me to support them also. My beliefs also hold me not to compel another to do so.
    Because there is some balance between no government aid and a lot of government aid.
    I disagree with able bodied individuals getting aid, it really makes no sense, but people born disabled were not started on the level playing ground, the rest of us are.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because there is some balance between no government aid and a lot of government aid.
    I disagree with able bodied individuals getting aid, it really makes no sense, but people born disabled were not started on the level playing ground, the rest of us are.
    Even Milton Friedman argued that there were two groups who inherently deserved aid from the rest of us - children and the disabled.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    You can't make health care a right without specifying HOW MUCH health care. You can make it a right but only include aspirin and band-aids, or you can say that everyone is entitled to the same level of care that the richest rich people get, or you can specify something in between.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    A question that may or may not have been asked already is: why do they have to have health care?
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You can't make health care a right without specifying HOW MUCH health care. You can make it a right but only include aspirin and band-aids, or you can say that everyone is entitled to the same level of care that the richest rich people get, or you can specify something in between.
    How can anyone justify taking from one to give to another? How can the state obligate me to pay to take care of someone else? That is not a right. That is a theft, a taking, a plundering of one citizen by the state on behalf of another.

    I have a right to defend my life and my property that is inherent in my being. No state is just that would steal from me in order to give something to someone else. Those who want something must work for it.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 07-01-12 at 04:31 PM. Reason: To clarify my intent following feedback.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    How can you justify taking from one to give to another? How can the state obligate me to pay to take care of someone else? That is not a right. That is a theft, a taking, a plundering of one citizen by the state on behalf of another.

    I have a right to defend my life and my property that is inherent in my being. No state is just that would steal from me in order to give something to someone else. If you want something work for it.
    You don't need to explain that to me. I'm a health care provider, so I'm offended when people say that they have a right to my labor. My post went right over your head.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You don't need to explain that to me. I'm a health care provider, so I'm offended when people say that they have a right to my labor. My post went right over your head.
    So you don't think people have a right to health care? That seems contrary to your job.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So you don't think people have a right to health care? That seems contrary to your job.
    No one has a right to health care.

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