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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It might be a little different this time around, as it seems that the Daily Show and Colbert are giving some time to Johnson as he states his goal of getting enough votes to get the libertarian party into the presidential debates for 2016. How much of an effect that will have, who knows. But it'd be nice to have a third voice, any third voice, heard.
    I am all for whatever it takes to shake up the 2 sided corrupt coin we have come to know of U.S. politics. Be it a relevant 3rd party which snaps leaders back in line in order to keep their jobs or by actual representation of the people. Its needed that is for certain. I am voting 3rd party for the 1st time for POTUS this year. I am no longer going to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I hate leaving the voting booth feeling like that. People say that a vote for a 3rd party which has no real chance of winning is a wasted vote. To me, voting for someone you really would not want to lead you because the competition is even moreso is a wasted vote.

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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    I am all for whatever it takes to shake up the 2 sided corrupt coin we have come to know of U.S. politics. Be it a relevant 3rd party which snaps leaders back in line in order to keep their jobs or by actual representation of the people. Its needed that is for certain. I am voting 3rd party for the 1st time for POTUS this year. I am no longer going to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I hate leaving the voting booth feeling like that. People say that a vote for a 3rd party which has no real chance of winning is a wasted vote. To me, voting for someone you really would not want to lead you because the competition is even moreso is a wasted vote.
    I've always voted third party for POTUS because in my state my vote never has a chance of counting anyway. The only way I can possibly not waste my vote is by voting third party.
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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I've always voted third party for POTUS because in my state my vote never has a chance of counting anyway. The only way I can possibly not waste my vote is by voting third party.

    It used to be that way in my state. The last time my state carried a Democrat for President was LBJ. We were able to change that in 2008, when our state carried Obama for president.
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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    I am all for whatever it takes to shake up the 2 sided corrupt coin we have come to know of U.S. politics. Be it a relevant 3rd party which snaps leaders back in line in order to keep their jobs or by actual representation of the people. Its needed that is for certain. I am voting 3rd party for the 1st time for POTUS this year. I am no longer going to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I hate leaving the voting booth feeling like that. People say that a vote for a 3rd party which has no real chance of winning is a wasted vote. To me, voting for someone you really would not want to lead you because the competition is even moreso is a wasted vote.

    I am also for shaking up the two parties and have something new in as a third...I just dont think a libertarian fits that bill...I know it doesnt for me.

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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I am also for shaking up the two parties and have something new in as a third...I just dont think a libertarian fits that bill...I know it doesnt for me.
    I like their position on foreign policy where we only go to war with countries that attack us, but other than that, I find all of their positions to be too extreme and think they would not benefit our country or its citizens.

    My best realistic option I believe, is to get more progressives in the Democrat party to join the majority there that voted against the war in Iraq.
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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    I think Johnson of the Libertarian Party will do well this year. It should be one of the best years for a third party presidential candidate since Ross Perot ran.
    And lost, just like Johnson will.
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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    I'm voting against Obama. I can't vote for anyone. I'm voting for the one with the best chance of keeping Obama out of a second term.
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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    zyph I dont know if I can agree with your statement that libertarians are more hooked into politics...theres many dems and traditonal gopers that are tuned into politics just as well....libertarians the way I view them have dual goals....some I think are genuinely good for the country and some I think are totally nuts...libertarians ever since I can remember knowing anything about them consistently get the same 8-11% support over the years Ron Paul stayed right in that bracket...I predict his son will do worse down the road...hes insane
    Wasn't saying that libertarians are more hooked into politics in relation to Democrats and Republicans. I'm saying that you're more likely to find MORE libertarians in a group of individuals that are interested in politics than you are in the general population, especially in relation to Democrats and Republicans.

    Democrats and Republicans are the common things, the popular things, the obvious things. For those that just lightly pay attention to politics there's a huge likelihood that if they identify with a party they're going to be identifying with one of those two...because they're the ones that are commonly known and are considered "normal" to support.

    This is different than a crowd that's rather in tune with politics. For them, they are more likely to understand some of the difference between Libertarians and the other two other than possibly stereotypes in the mainstream such as it's the "pot smoking" party. They are more likely to be ideologically driven, not simply party driven, and as such more likely to side with a 3rd party that has no hope of winning but suits their philosophy then simply getting in on the "Team" aspect of politics by choosing one of the "sides".

    So it's not that Libertarians are inherently more hooked into politics than Dem's or Republicans...it's that I'd wager that you have a higher percentage of libertarians within crowds of "people hooked into politics" then in the general population.

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    Re: If the election were tomorrow for POTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It might be a little different this time around, as it seems that the Daily Show and Colbert are giving some time to Johnson as he states his goal of getting enough votes to get the libertarian party into the presidential debates for 2016. How much of an effect that will have, who knows. But it'd be nice to have a third voice, any third voice, heard.
    I agree it'd be nice. I disagree it's likely to happen. Again, I'll point to the history I brought up in previous posts. Replace "Debate" with "Colbert and Stewart":

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The Libertarian Party couldn't manage even .5% of the popular vote last year. That's less than half a percent. Same goes for 2004. Guess what, same goes for 2000 as well. Actually, if you add up their percentage of the popular vote for the past THREE Presidential elections you BARELY get over 1% total of the popular vote (1.08%). Look at that again, you've got to add up their votes for the past three elections to even get to 1% of the popular vote. Over the past twenty years, that's 6 elections, they've not even broken 2.5% combined (2.33%) with their highest in that span being half a percent in 1996. That's pathetic.

    Even if we assumed that being in the debates would give them...hell, lets go crazy...a 500% bump in their COMBINED results they'd still only have 14% of the popular vote. And that's going off their combined totals from 6 elections. Going off their average, to get to that same measely 14%, would mean that they'd need a 3,500% bump. To get from their average over the past 20 years (.39) to even a THIRD of the popular vote would mean an increase of almost 8,500%. I don't care if they had a debate that was nothing BUT the Libertarian candidate on stage, there's no way in hell that it's going to give them a 500% bump let alone one 17 times that amount.
    Maybe it'll happen....but on this, with libertarians, it's going to need to be a "show me before I even come close to believing it".

    I'd love to see a third party significantly viable as well...but I'm just not hopeful based on recent history.

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