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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Wait, let me get that straight: you bought a house that now costs about 10% more than you paid for it?
    Yes. There are others in the same neighborhood that are the same model; so we have several to compare to. We get sales prices from the county assessor, and estimates from Zillo and Trulia. We also look at many homes offered for sale etc. Yes, it went up about 10% from the time we made our offer and closed. It's 7 years old and has been vacant a lot of those years. An estimater that you can run online for new construction at specific qualities in its neighborhood comes in over at 200k. We paid 92,111. The seller (owner) had two homes, his old one and the one we bought. He was given a mortgage then a second and the banks shouldn't have; so they ended up with less money than they loaned.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. whereas communist regimes were well known for taking care of their populace?
    That's the rub though. For the most part there haven't been "dictatorships of the proletariot"..

    Just proletariots under dictatorships.

    I don't know that any of the "boogieman" communist states ever intended to implement a "workers paradise".

    Looks to me more like scams of the power hungry to get themselves in power then top down rule from then on.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Bankers. They know where their bread is buttered, whereas the proletariat is more likely to cause more harm than good. Once the proles get a taste of blood, they won't stop. If I, or a member of my family were to openly disagree or protest these insurgents, there's no guarantee they wouldn't put us up against the wall and shoot us until the magazines were empty. The bankers goal would be simple: Establish a system of rule and ethics, and generate profit. Bottom line: I'd rather be ruled by plutocrats than gangsters with machine guns.
    You think plutocrats have no use for machine guns?

    I imagine if you objected to the divvy up the plutocrats hand down they'd break out the machine guns too.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    One should bear in mind that dictatorship of the bankers would basically be feudalism.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Neither. I'm much more a proponent of a Dictatorship of the Moral than one of the common man or the businessman. Neither of those groups have the ability nor the desire to rule from the point of view of Right and Wrong. The common man rules from the viewpoint of what is best for him and his friends. The businessman rules from the viewpoint of what is best for his business. Only a Dictatorship of the Moral can overcome such mistakes.
    We had the Moral take over a division of a large corporation. I was discreetly offered membership in the Moral if I would attend their weekend meetings. I didn't. When a RIF came non members of the Moral were chosen. One non-moral member was our highest ranking technologist, our only chief scientist. I was also chosen, I had more patents (one just awarded) than any other technologist in our division. When I found the RIF was coming I went to volunteer but found that I was already on the list.

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That's the rub though. For the most part there haven't been "dictatorships of the proletariot"..

    Just proletariots under dictatorships.

    I don't know that any of the "boogieman" communist states ever intended to implement a "workers paradise".

    Looks to me more like scams of the power hungry to get themselves in power then top down rule from then on.
    Those pseudo-revolutions were led by the impatient children of the ruling classes, who feel that they are born to rule. Besides being worthless without their Daddy's money, these heirheads are brought up in sheltered ignorance, so they are easily fooled and displaced by opportunists from the lower classes.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    The tumor of concentrated wealth eats away at the rest of us. Soon there will be nothing left of our economy but skin and skeleton.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Yeah, all right, but if you have to choose between those two evils, which is the lesser one?
    This would depend on whether the man is a banker or a member of the masses...
    But, here in America, we still have a huge middle class, and, IMO, neither the liberals nor the conservatives represent them well.
    No vote from me of course..
    There must be something better than the lessor of the two evils.

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I disagree we do not have any form of dictatorship at all. Only people who disagree with the current system and want a completly new one (usually it does end up being a dictatorship) claim we are living in a dictatorship. In a democracy there will always be decisions made that you disagree with. In fact in any form of govt you will find that (unless of course you happen to be the dictator) Same is true for corruption/fraud etc. it happens in EVERY single type of govt system you can possibly think of. Democracy has proven to be the least oppresive of any form of govt devised to date.
    As to dictatorship of the proletariat we have had soo soo many. None of them have been anything more than a mere dictatorship ALL have been very very bad!
    Soviet Union
    Communist China
    North Korea
    Cuba
    etc...
    We have, at best, a semi-democracy...40% of the people vote...and how many do this with good judgement ?
    The problem is NOT communist governments, but repressive ones, and there have been many ...nazi Germany for one.
    I'd like to know why we cannot compromise , why we cannot have balance..

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    I'd like to know why we cannot compromise , why we cannot have balance..
    What we have found, and this is especially prevalent in the Midwest, is that the rules have to be followed. When rules are followed then doing all the work that compromise requires doesn't have to be done.

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