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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Neither. I'm much more a proponent of a Dictatorship of the Moral than one of the common man or the businessman. Neither of those groups have the ability nor the desire to rule from the point of view of Right and Wrong. The common man rules from the viewpoint of what is best for him and his friends. The businessman rules from the viewpoint of what is best for his business. Only a Dictatorship of the Moral can overcome such mistakes.

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Bankers. They know where their bread is buttered, whereas the proletariat is more likely to cause more harm than good. Once the proles get a taste of blood, they won't stop. If I, or a member of my family were to openly disagree or protest these insurgents, there's no guarantee they wouldn't put us up against the wall and shoot us until the magazines were empty. The bankers goal would be simple: Establish a system of rule and ethics, and generate profit. Bottom line: I'd rather be ruled by plutocrats than gangsters with machine guns.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'd rather be ruled by plutocrats than gangsters with machine guns.
    Sorry, I don't buy this "proletariat=gangsters" idea. Are you saying the cashiers in Wal-Mart are gangsters? Or the assembly workers at GM? Or you neighbour the painter?

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Sorry, I don't buy this "proletariat=gangsters" idea. Are you saying the cashiers in Wal-Mart are gangsters? Or the assembly workers at GM? Or you neighbour the painter?
    No I think he means the "dictatorship of the proletariat" will be like every other one that existed, not all workers united together but a few toughs who take controll and run things themselves, to the detriment of everyone else.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Sorry, I don't buy this "proletariat=gangsters" idea. Are you saying the cashiers in Wal-Mart are gangsters? Or the assembly workers at GM? Or you neighbour the painter?
    My neighbor is addicted to methamphetamine, and I suspect he beats his wife. We don't live in a world of super fun sunshine extreme happiness time. People get shot, stabbed, robbed, beaten, dismembered, and in some cases eaten every day.

    You give a regular jack off a gun and tell him he has authority without teaching him how to use it, that authority will be abused. Corrupt, and abusive police are a perfect example of this, multiplied by psychological issues caused by armed insurrection. On top of that, we have our actual gangs, our crips, our bloods, our MS-13's. The worst of the worst being the Asian gangs. Even more, we have our separatists, extremist groups, and so called militias fueled with extremist ideology, religion, and racism. Give these people free reign, and it's bad news for everyone.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Sorry, I don't buy this "proletariat=gangsters" idea. Are you saying the cashiers in Wal-Mart are gangsters? Or the assembly workers at GM? Or you neighbour the painter?
    He was talking in generalities between the two choices...he wasnt being snide to the working class....

    In a way hes right the proletariat would have more of a mob mentality...where hes wrong is the bankers would rob us blind and then take all our money and put it in offshore accts and live like kings and queens will they laugh and say we need more proletariat tax money to pay off the debt you lowlifes created...

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    He was talking in generalities between the two choices...he wasnt being snide to the working class....

    In a way hes right the proletariat would have more of a mob mentality...where hes wrong is the bankers would rob us blind and then take all our money and put it in offshore accts and live like kings and queens will they laugh and say we need more proletariat tax money to pay off the debt you lowlifes created...
    Nah, I said they would establish a system of rule and ethics, and generate profit.I didn't say to whose benefit. It would obviously be rules of self interest, but at the same time, I think if the capability of violence of the proletariat is made strikingly clear, both sides would be forced to come to an agreement. It's the basis of social contract theory. The ruler must be of some benefit to the people, or the people will get pissed off, and uproot them by any means deemed necessary by the people. Historically, it ends very badly for the uprooted dictatorship, and the bankers would know this.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, which one would you prefer?
    I would consistently choose the proletariat, but there are real world conditions where I would favor the bankers.

    In the real world the group I side against is the one which most threatens the balance of socio-economic-cultural forces civilization depends on in order to prosper. They are the guilty ones. Historically speaking, usually it is wealthy people who become Babel builders in this way. The proletariat rarely even takes notice of how society is developing unless their rulers are causing them to suffer.
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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Wow. We just completed our 2nd short sale purchase of a home. In both cases the lenders, banks, ended up with less money than they lent. Both homes are now worth about 10% more that we paid for them and the available homes in their neighborhoods is way down. The Bankers sure proved themselves to be stupid.

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    Re: Dictatorship of the proletariat vs. dictatorship of the bankers

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Wow. We just completed our 2nd short sale purchase of a home. In both cases the lenders, banks, ended up with less money than they lent. Both homes are now worth about 10% more that we paid for them and the available homes in their neighborhoods is way down. The Bankers sure proved themselves to be stupid.
    Or maybe they're looking at the big picture, over a couple transactions.
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