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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Shoot the dog and take the bone back. Does the bone still belong to the dog? No. His ability to defend it has been completely removed and the bone is no longer his property.
    Then the dog's owner may shoot you as well and where does it all end? That's why the Good Old Dad has proclaimed that we should not kill and plunder each other, in order to survive and live. Property is an innate right to the extent I don't harm others. My yard ends there where the yard of my neighbour begins.
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Then the dog's owner may shoot you as well and where does it all end? That's why the Good Old Dad has proclaimed that we should not kill and plunder each other, in order to survive and live. Property is an innate right to the extent I don't harm others. My yard ends there where the yard of my neighbour begins.
    Who is the good old dad? I think it's far more likely humans themselves decided that it doesn't really benefit any of us to live like animals in the wild. It just seems like the logical thing to do.
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who is the good old dad? I think it's far more likely humans themselves decided that it doesn't really benefit any of us to live like animals in the wild. It just seems like the logical thing to do.
    Whatever. The point is that private property exists naturally and I would say it exists because it's practical. You wouldn't want somebody else wearing your clothes or taking your tools when you need them, do you? If people are alienated from the fruits of their labour, why would they want to work anyway?
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Whatever. The point is that private property exists naturally and I would say it exists because it's practical. You wouldn't want somebody else wearing your clothes or taking your tools when you need them, do you? If people are alienated from the fruits of their labour, why would they want to work anyway?
    Lol - there is nothing "natural" about private property. There is something natural about laying claim to X but X itself, as a private property being natural? Not even once.
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol - there is nothing "natural" about private property. There is something natural about laying claim to X but X itself, as a private property being natural? Not even once.
    You do own your ass, don't ya? If you don't, may I use it for a while?

    P.s. no offence, that is supposed to be fun illustration.

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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    You do own your ass, don't ya? If you don't, may I use it for a while?

    P.s. no offence, that is supposed to be fun illustration.
    Well, I do get it but still are we going to talk about the human body as "property" of a person in the same way we would a piece of land? I mean we could but I would like to think that the human body and "ownership" of it falls outside of the debate regarding private property.
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, I do get it but still are we going to talk about the human body as "property" of a person in the same way we would a piece of land? I mean we could but I would like to think that the human body and "ownership" of it falls outside of the debate regarding private property.
    During communism this was regarded as "personal" property.
    You are correct, the body is not like the land because the later is inhabited with other creatures as well (ants, worms, plants, etc.), i.e. there are others involved. In that sense the land is not like your own personal body, no.
    Still, I think property is well explained in the video on page 1 of this thread.

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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I am not sure how to answer. In most cases I would say it is an innate right, particularly if it is something you made or purchased with the proceeds of your labor. For me the sticking point is land. I find it more and more difficult to justify private ownership of land. It is a finite resource and over time if the rich continue to buy up more and more if it eventually it could all end up in the hands of a few. This is particularly worrisome with the world population continuing to grow.

    I am not sure what the solution is to that, but I do think it will be a real problem in the future.
    There is so much federally-owned land in the US, I seriously doubt we have to worry about all the land being privately owned at any time in the next few hundred years.
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    In other words is property an innate right, or does it need to be justified?
    If it's for sale, and I want it, and can afford to buy it, that's all the justification that is necessary.
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    Re: Is porperty Self justifying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I am not sure how to answer. In most cases I would say it is an innate right, particularly if it is something you made or purchased with the proceeds of your labor. For me the sticking point is land. I find it more and more difficult to justify private ownership of land. It is a finite resource and over time if the rich continue to buy up more and more if it eventually it could all end up in the hands of a few. This is particularly worrisome with the world population continuing to grow.

    I am not sure what the solution is to that, but I do think it will be a real problem in the future.
    That individuals NOT own land is something that I have held as part of my philosophy for many years..
    Good to see that I am no longer the only one..

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