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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am not the one trying to defend your racism in some bad attempt at a technicality. You are amusing though.
    Now you are just trying to make this personal. That is a a showing of desperation.

    Show the founders, who we are discussing, believed that their race was superior to any other race.
    Good luck with that.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Now you are just trying to make this personal. That is a a showing of desperation.
    I made it personal in the first post I made in this thread, in response to your view, since it was your comment that showed racist ideology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Show the founders, who we are discussing, believed that their race was superior to any other race.
    Good luck with that.
    Can you tell me who wrote this?

    "I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications. Will not a lover of natural history then, one who views the gradations in all the races of animals with the eye of philosophy, excuse an effort to keep those in the department of man as distinct as nature has formed them? This unfortunate difference of color, and perhaps of faculty, is a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people."
    Either way, the founding fathers are dead, I am more concerned about your racist comment as shown in the post I quoted.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It could be argued that those who signed the DofI did believe "...all men are created equal..." it's just that they didn't think women were equal nor were those of non-European ancestry which included not only African slaves but also the Native Americans, to be considered "men"

    It was a very different world the Founding Fathers lived in and much of the conflict about meaning to be found in the words of the Founding Fathers is simply because most Americans really don't understand those differences.
    It was a different era and time, and with that differing perceptions than how we would think, but at the same time I think you're going to the other extreme and letting them off too easy.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    in response to your view, since it was your comment that showed racist ideology.
    That is all in your mind.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Can you tell me who wrote this?
    Even though I know, it doesn't matter to this discussion.
    His spoken suspicion taken out of context does not matter to what we are discussing.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Either way, the founding fathers are dead,
    Dude!
    That is who we are talking about.
    If you want to discuss something else, take it elsewhere.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am more concerned about your racist comment as shown in the post I quoted.
    And again, that is in your mind, or if you will, your suspicions. lol.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    in 2012, one cannot be a Libertarian and yet support peoples' right to own slaves.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is all in your mind.
    To the extent that any idea is all in the mind sure. However calling people nonhuman on the basis of race or ethnicity is racism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Even though I know, it doesn't matter to this discussion.
    His spoken suspicion taken out of context does not matter to what we are discussing.

    Dude!
    That is who we are talking about.
    If you want to discuss something else, take it elsewhere.
    That is what you are talking about here, my subject matter is your comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again, that is in your mind, or if you will, your suspicions. lol.
    So this is your defense now that your logical failure didn't fly?

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So this is your defense now that your logical failure didn't fly?
    Your lack of understanding is what doesn't fly here.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That is what you are talking about here, my subject matter is your comment.
    Start a thread then. Because as it stands your comment has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

    I would suggest you go back and reread what has been said again, because you are off base.



    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    To the extent that any idea is all in the mind sure. However calling people nonhuman on the basis of race or ethnicity is racism.
    Race applies to humans.
    If they are considered non-human. Race doesn't apply.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Civil Rights?
    Did I stutter?

    We are speaking during the time of the founders and how they viewed things.
    The person I responded to wasn't.

    There are no Civil Rights to be applied if one is considered to be not human, not fully human, just humanoid, etc...
    Which is irrelevant due to the egalitarian nature of rights laws today. Next time read what I'm responding to.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    by modern definitions, anyone who owned slaves during the 18th century, was clearly NOT a Libertarian.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The person I responded to wasn't.
    Wrong!
    You responded to me. It was what I was addressing.
    You fail to realize that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Which is irrelevant due to the egalitarian nature of rights laws today. Next time read what I'm responding to.
    There you go, talking about today again.
    IOt has no bearing on what I said. And you were responding to me.
    So maybe you should read and comprehend that to which you are responding.

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