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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Well you could, you'd just be a flaming hypocrite.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    I would consider many of them to be classical liberals.

    I will say that the fact that some owned slaves does not make them pure classical liberals. At the same time, there is no reason they cannot be considered classical liberals in other aspects.

    I divide them up into three classes:

    1-Slave owners, knowingly owning humans.

    2-Slave owners, unknowingly owning humans(they believed they were inferior creatures).

    3-Non-slave owners/abolitionists.

    Each one of those groups has to be judged differently, IMO.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Yes, because it's the free market, baby!
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    I think resolving the question does come down to the matter of whether the libertarian sees another being as an equal. If the other being is not thought of as an equal, in fact not really human, then what is the difference between owning a dog or a cat and owning a being that looks like a human but really isn't? - in the libertarian's specific belief system.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Yes, because it's the free market, baby!
    There's different types of libertarians, but I don't see even the worst of objectivist libertarians being pro slavery.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    There's different types of libertarians, but I don't see even the worst of objectivist libertarians being pro slavery.
    But wouldn't a true free market economy inherently require a lack of regulation over the labor force?
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    I've often pondered the question: Where does the libertarian draw the line between his beliefs and those of the anarchist?
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    I voted YES. It seems to me that a small libertarain government shouldn't be concerned about like slavery. If one finds himself a slave then it's probably his own fault and why should the government come to his rescue. And if one owns slaves it's because one has been sucessful. And there needn't be a single level of slavery or type, just as before. For instance one could fall into slavery for not paying bills, with the type of slavery would depend on the contract.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But wouldn't a true free market economy inherently require a lack of regulation over the labor force?
    I'm a moderate, so I have no problem with necessary regulation as long as it doesn't hurt the employer. However, I believe the train of thought is that such regulation comes naturally through what the employees will and will not tolerate. No employees, no production, and ultimately, no business.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I voted YES. It seems to me that a small libertarain government shouldn't be concerned about like slavery. If one finds himself a slave then it's probably his own fault and why should the government come to his rescue. And if one owns slaves it's because one has been sucessful. And there needn't be a single level of slavery or type, just as before. For instance one could fall into slavery for not paying bills, with the type of slavery would depend on the contract.
    You're forgetting one thing: The Libertarian doctrine of self-ownership.
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