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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I mean I guess all that "non-interventionist foreign policy" was why we didn't intervene in those pesky Barbary Wars and the creation of the US Navy...oh wait...
    actually the problem is you are ignorant of non-interventionism. any claims that we violated a non-interventionist foreign policy is patently false right out of the gate. The Barbary wars was in response to acts of aggression against us.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    I'm sure this has been said... I haven't read through all the posts.

    Slaves were not legally or socially considered to be people. They were considered property. This is one of the many things that has evolved over time. Practically no on in current society would see things that way. People are individual. Individuals have rights, such as property ownership.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Dude...I HATE agreeing with ARC but he just gave you the ****ing JSTOR link. Read it.
    what a hackish thing to say.

    I mean, it is obvious based simply on the way you carry yourself on this forum, but to come right out in the open and admit you are this type of person is rather sad.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    I'm sure this has been said... I haven't read through all the posts.

    Slaves were not legally or socially considered to be people. They were considered property. This is one of the many things that has evolved over time. Practically no on in current society would see things that way. People are individual. Individuals have rights, such as property ownership.
    this is simply an apologist stance. modern day racists still will argue certain people are sub-human, so they also are not racist. it's just property dude.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    actually the problem is you are ignorant of non-interventionism. any claims that we violated a non-interventionist foreign policy is patently false right out of the gate. The Barbary wars was in response to acts of aggression against us.
    Yes, but the response went beyond simply protecting American shipping interests and mere self-defense.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    what a hackish thing to say.

    I mean, it is obvious based simply on the way you carry yourself on this forum, but to come right out in the open and admit you are this type of person is rather sad.
    "A hackish thing to say?" "Admit I am this type of person?" You sayin in order for someone to not be a hack they have to agree with you all the time or some ****?

    I just ****ing agreed with you. Take it for what it's worth dude.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, but the response went beyond simply protecting American shipping interests and mere self-defense.
    Irrelevant. We never came close to intervening in the affairs of sovereign nations on this issue. so what you wrote was patently ignorant. We were attacked, and they declared war on us. That you use this as an example of non-intervention is comical, and that is even ignoring the part about how Ron Paul needs to read more history books.

    You need to read a hell of a lot more of just about everything if you want to debate someone on this subject.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "A hackish thing to say?" "Admit I am this type of person?"

    I just ****ing agreed with you. Take it for what it's worth dude.
    you just expressed great pain that you had to agree with me. It shows that you keep a close eye on the people, and not the views, when you are actively debating. I find this sad. You clearly disagree.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Dude...I HATE agreeing with ARC but he just gave you the ****ing JSTOR link. Read it.
    simply posting a link as evidence for a claim, isn't sufficient.

    he should at least have the courtesy to summarize or quote the relevent section from the link that supports his claim.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I just read the OP again and realized this. Dr. Paul says the founders had a "Non-interventionist foreign policy"?...
    "From the halls of Montezuma...to the shores of Tripoli.."

    non-interventionalist...my butt.

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