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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's not slavery, as slavery is involuntary,
    OK. So if an economic situation occurred where people had to enter involuntary servitude in order to fulfill contractual agreements, e.g. mortgages, that would be supported in a libertarian system?

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    what evidence do you have that they exist?
    Slavery in Sudan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Since 1995, many human rights organizations have reported on contemporary practice, especially in the context of the Second Sudanese civil war. Both the government-backed militias and the rebels (led by the SPLA) have been found guilty of abducting civilians, according a 2002 report issued by the International Eminent Persons Group, acting with the encouragement of the US State Department.[2] According to the Rift Valley Institute's Sudan Abductee Database, over 11,000 people were abducted in 20 years of slave-raiding in southern Sudan.[3]



    now, where is YOUR evidence?

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    OK. So if an economic situation occurred where people had to enter involuntary servitude in order to fulfill contractual agreements, e.g. mortgages, that would be supported in a libertarian system?
    folks don't choose to enter into involuntary servitude.

    that's like being forced to volunteer your time.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    what evidence do you have that they exist?
    Ten Facts About Modern Slavery

    Florida farm workers tell how drugs, debt bind them in modern slavery

    Lawsuit: St. Johns farm took advantage of homeless men in Jacksonville
    Posted: May 3, 2012

    A Florida potato farm has been accused of targeting destitute Jacksonville men to serve as seasonal workers, exploiting their situations and then not paying them what they were owed, according to a lawsuit filed last week.

    The class-action lawsuit says Bulls-hit Ranch and Farm in Hastings used a labor contractor who found men at local homeless shelters and hired them as migrant agricultural workers to work in potato packing.

    The men, the lawsuit says, were taken to the farm in St. Johns County to work with promises of at least minimum-wage pay, housing and meals provided at a labor camp. They were then required to pay the contractor for the housing and were supplied illegal drugs they bought on credit, according to the lawsuit.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    folks don't choose to enter into involuntary servitude.

    that's like being forced to volunteer your time.
    If I was offering mortgages, e.g. a bank, and I wanted to insure that my bank would be paid off, I would require servitude if payment wasn't made. (We just bought another house on a short sale. The 2nd lender took a real bath. The owner walked away, he still owned his 1st home and will just have bad credit for a while.)

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Slavery in Sudan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Since 1995, many human rights organizations have reported on contemporary practice, especially in the context of the Second Sudanese civil war. Both the government-backed militias and the rebels (led by the SPLA) have been found guilty of abducting civilians, according a 2002 report issued by the International Eminent Persons Group, acting with the encouragement of the US State Department.[2] According to the Rift Valley Institute's Sudan Abductee Database, over 11,000 people were abducted in 20 years of slave-raiding in southern Sudan.[3]



    now, where is YOUR evidence?
    we are talking about the founding fathers. prove they existed then, without using history books, as my use of those did not satisfy you.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    slaves were seen as human beings, even back then.

    lesser & inferior human beings? yes. But still human.

    therefore, even back then, one could not be both a slave-owner and a Libertarian.

    nor could one be a Libertarian and believe women or Jews should not have the right to vote.

    if you believe someone is a human being in any form, no true Libertarian would accept that person being denied any rights or freedoms.

    Then sir you are an exceptional individual, because what you are saying, is you have never done anything that you didn’t believe in. Not many people can say that .

    People 200 years ago could have owned slaves and not believed in slavery. It was a way of life back then . Just as one could believe today that pollution of the planet is wrong and still drive a car. There by helping to pollute the planet.

    The only way to answer that question is to know what was in the mind and hearts of our founding fathers something you or I couldn’t know.

    So I stand by my answer.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    ...People 200 years ago could have owned slaves and not believed in slavery.....
    that defies logic.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Originally Posted by Thunder
    who is denying that black slaves exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    what evidence do you have that they exist?

    Why would you post the preceding and then post the following?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative
    we are talking about the founding fathers. prove they existed then, without using history books, as my use of those did not satisfy you.
    It certainly looks like you are trying to avoid admitting that modern slavery does exist by bringing up the "founding fathers"
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why would you post the preceding and then post the following?
    the context of our discussion. he is claiming that our history did not include the enslavement of chinese people. He asked what proof I had that it did exist, I said history books.

    It certainly looks like you are trying to avoid admitting that modern slavery does exist by bringing up the "founding fathers"
    it looks like you are trying to jump into an ongoing discussion you were never a part of, then proceed to tell me what the discussion is about. of course modern slavery exists, the sex trade practically depends on it.

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