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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    history books, which is the same evidence I have for all the things that occurred before I was born.
    this is not evidence of anything, as far as this discussion goes.

    what evidence do you have to support your claims?

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this is not evidence of anything, as far as this discussion goes.

    what evidence do you have to support your claims?
    the same evidence I have to support your claims that black slaves exist.

    the evidence is so overwhelming, only trolls would argue in the face of it.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    ...So my answer would be that yes 200 years ago .. you could have been both .. and no, in todays world .. you couldn't
    slaves were seen as human beings, even back then.

    lesser & inferior human beings? yes. But still human.

    therefore, even back then, one could not be both a slave-owner and a Libertarian.

    nor could one be a Libertarian and believe women or Jews should not have the right to vote.

    if you believe someone is a human being in any form, no true Libertarian would accept that person being denied any rights or freedoms.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the same evidence I have to support your claims that black slaves exist....
    who is denying that black slaves exist?

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    slavery......is not voluntary servitude or indentured servitude or prison labor.
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    Thanks, I made that equate that is not correct in my earlier post. I wrote that one could contract one self into slavery, but it would just be servitude. Slavery and servitude can effectively be very similar conditions. I'd now vote No on slavery but Yes if servitude was swapped in for for slavery.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Thanks, I made that equate that is not correct in my earlier post. I wrote that one could contract one self into slavery, but it would just be servitude. Slavery and servitude can effectively be very similar conditions. I'd now vote No on slavery but Yes if servitude was swapped in for for slavery.
    slavery is not a condition one can voluntary enter into.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
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    if you believe someone is a human being in any form, no true Libertarian would accept that person being denied any rights or freedoms.
    But, could one voluntarily enter into a contract with someone to become their indentured person for some reason if they didn't, for example, repay a loan?

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    But, could one voluntarily enter into a contract with someone to become their indentured person for some reason if they didn't, for example, repay a loan?
    that's not slavery, as slavery is involuntary,

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    slavery is not a condition one can voluntary enter into.
    In ancient times slavery was something that an individual could "voluntary enter into"

    Voluntary slavery (or self-sale) is the condition of slavery freely entered into. In ancient times this was a common way for impoverished people to provide subsistence for themselves or their family and provision was made for this in law.[1] For example, the code of Hammurabi stated that, "besides being able to borrow on personal security, an individual might sell himself or a family member into slavery."[2]

    In ancient times one of the most direct ways to become a Roman or Greek citizen was by means of a self-sale contract. For the laws surrounding Roman and Greek manumission made it quite possible for such erstwhile slaves to then become citizens or near-citizens themselves.[3]

    In medieval Russia, self-sale was the main source of slaves.[4]

    1: M. L. Bush (1996), Serfdom and slavery: studies in legal bondage, p. 21

    2: Anthony Appiah, Martin Bunzl (2007-07-02), Buying freedom, pp. 95–97, ISBN 978-0-691-13010-1

    3: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. Geoffrey W. Bromiley. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 1995. ISBN 0-8028-3784-0. p.543.

    4: MA Klein (1986), "Slavery in Russia, 1450-1725", American Journal of Sociology
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    who is denying that black slaves exist?
    what evidence do you have that they exist?

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