Last edited by Thunder; 06-26-12 at 08:42 AM.
We are discussing founding fathers that could be identified as holding libertarian-like ideals... aka "classic liberal" ideas... and yet also had slaves. But you could not say they supported personal freedoms for only certain people, they favored them for all people... of course, the notion that the slaves working in plantations in Virginia were actually people would have been met with much derision and / or scepticism at that time.
Restrictive personhood, responsible for / involved in every major human rights abuse since ever. "Those folks don't count, so we may do x, y, z to them."
We should do what we can to remedy inconsistencies between our nation's status quo and our nation's mission statement, the Declaration of Independence. Certainly, it's a paradox that even that document's author owned slaves, and it required remedy. Unfortunately, that remedy came through war and coercive force. Hopefully we can end other human rights abuses without such things, but the practice of restrictive personhood continues in other regards and it also requires remedy.
Last edited by JayDubya; 06-26-12 at 09:13 AM.
But it is a question you can also ask of modern day African's who engage in the practice.
Last edited by Excon; 06-26-12 at 09:10 AM.
indentured servitude is not slavery, as it is part of a signed contract signed by the servant.
prison labor is not slavery, as their labor is part of their punishment for committing crimes.
now, as to the European slave-trade, they made slaves out of black Africans because they believed they were inferior human beings, which is of course a racist idea.
What you meant to say, no doubt, is that "anyone who thinks that a human is not a person based on skin pigmentation is a textbook racist." And that is agreeable, yes.
However, you can go beyond that...
Anyone who thinks that any human is not a person based on anything is some kind of bigot, and this belief belies that they either do not believe in equality - do not consider all men to be created equal - or they are a hypocrite for whatever reason.
Separation from society is the punishment.
Labor is not part of the deal.
Slaves were purchased because they were cheap labor.
Not because they were thought of as inferior.
Thinking they were inferior was just part of the package.
The same held true with the Irish slaves and the Chinese Slaves. Cheap labor.
But that may be why they were sold to begin with by their own kind.
But not why they were bought.
wrong again, as we are talking about black African slaves....Slaves were purchased because they were cheap labor.
Not because they were thought of as inferior....
and didn't you earlier argue that the African slave-trade wasn't racist as the Europeans didn't even consider them to be human?
Last edited by Thunder; 06-26-12 at 09:24 AM.
Last edited by Excon; 06-26-12 at 09:26 AM.