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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Apparently you can be against slavery and own slaves...

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    no. He was clearly asking about the founders. So the answer depends on how they saw things.


    Or how about not making a big deal about someone being corrected and instead learn from the mistake, and move on?
    The title of the poll is "Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?"

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    The title of the poll is "Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?"
    in 2012, if you own slaves, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be a Libertarian.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    The title of the poll is "Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?"
    And look to the example that was given to generate the discussion.



    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    in 2012, if you own slaves, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be a Libertarian.
    That depends.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    in 2012, if you own slaves, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be a Libertarian.
    Libertarianism didn't really exist at the time of the FF. It's a relatively new political philosophy, it's a modern invention. For Ron Paul to say the FF were "libertarian" is a misnomer; they were inspired by the birth of rationalism and the humanities and egalitarian political impulses of the Enlightenment. The FF may have held many of the same values as libertarians, but to say they were libertarians is pandering, IMO.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Libertarianism didn't really exist at the time of the FF. It's a relatively new political philosophy, it's a modern invention. For Ron Paul to say the FF were "libertarian" is a misnomer; they were inspired by the birth of rationalism and the humanities and egalitarian political impulses of the Enlightenment. The FF may have held many of the same values as libertarians, but to say they were libertarians is pandering, IMO.
    Actually it has it's roots in the 18th century during the period of enlightenment. What is generally accepted as being Libertarian, such as the views Ron Paul expresses, are very different, though. Modern American libertarianism has its roots in 1950's Objectivism. Libertarianism back in the 1700's is what many would call "Classic Liberalism" today.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And look to the example that was given to generate the discussion.
    Yes, I gave the example of a supposed "opponent" of slavery, who owned slaves and is considered by many Libertarians to be one of their own.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Actually it has it's roots in the 18th century during the period of enlightenment. What is generally accepted as being Libertarian, such as the views Ron Paul expresses, are very different, though. Modern American libertarianism has its roots in 1950's Objectivism. Libertarianism back in the 1700's is what many would call "Classic Liberalism" today.
    Libertarianism is a reaction against Communism, the social upheavals of the 60's and the expansion of US government in the same period. It certainly traces roots back into "classical liberalism", but not solely. It also finds origins in the Buckley-inspired new conservative movement and the burgeoning Chicago and Austrian schools of economics.

    The point is Libertarianism is differentiated from liberalism by when and why it formed; it's a purely American philosophy, really. It doesn't really exist in other areas, except as a newly imported political philosophy. By any other name, the basics of Libertarianism is classical liberalism; free people and free markets. Where the difference comes in is how that philosophy is applied to the zeitgeist and the specifics of how it's core ideals are applied.
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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm wondering what ideology would find slavery as consistent with it's tenants....
    I'm wondering why anybody is wondering about this arcane issue when none of us has any idea whatsoever of earlier times, particularly ancient times, when slavery was a norm.

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    Re: Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm wondering why anybody is wondering about this arcane issue when none of us has any idea whatsoever of earlier times, particularly ancient times, when slavery was a norm.
    Who is "none of us"? You may want to drop by your local library. I bet you'll find at least half a dozen people who have written about what "ancient times" (ie less than 250 years ago) were like.
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