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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    An externalities is when a voluntary transaction between two neighbours affects an uninvolved third party. They can either be positive such as scientist providing research that becomes public knowledge or negative like cigarette smoke and buds littering the pavement. Consider an example:

    I like to play the drums and so I go to the music store and buy myself some drums. The music store owner is pretty happy to sell me a drum kit and I'm pretty happy with my purchase but you're not. As my neighbour, you get to hear me playing at all kinds of night. You as a third party have had a negative effect from the transaction. Now you and I could go and negotiate a contract and pay you compensation, but such a process is long, expensive and ask the question, "who has a right to what?" and I would have to negotiate several different contracts with my neighbours. Instead we rely on council (government) by-laws that tend to limit noise later in the night.

    One of the main reasons, I believe we should tax cigarettes is because of externalities. There is a private cost to smoking (the actual cost of purchasing the cigarettes) and a social cost( the second-hand smoke, the litter and also the increased stress on the medical system) only the private cost is paid by the smoker. The aim of the tax is to increase the price to include the social cost and better reflect the true cost of smoking. This type of tax is known as a pigovian tax and it's one of the most important functions of the government. Protecting third parties from the effects of voluntary transactions.

    I don't think I cocked that up too much.
    OK, now in the absolutely perfect world, mans sensitivities would be far greater than todays...the same for tolerances....But, is it possible for man to be "perfect" ??
    Even if "perfect" there is still a need for government.
    The drums are a good example.The buyer/player should have proof that he has a sound-proof room and/or the neighbors permission..
    But, who handles the paperwork, the system, the enforcement ?
    Same with the smoking...and who is to say that the "perfect" man cannot smoke...
    In my day, this smoke-situation was far worse..
    We are progressing.

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should government exist... at all?
    Yes, anarchy doesn't work. There is a base necessity for some amount of government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, anarchy doesn't work. There is a base necessity for some amount of government.
    One single government for all 6 billion people?

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?


    No!
    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    One single government for all 6 billion people?

    I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Bob Dylan

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    One single government for all 6 billion people?
    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    No!
    So anarchy then.

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    Seriously, are you promoting a One World Government? A No on One World Government, is not a vote for anarchy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    So anarchy then.

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    Seriously, are you promoting a One World Government? A No on One World Government, is not a vote for anarchy!
    No, I'm not promoting a one world government. I'm pointing out that in the absence of one single government, what we have are groups of people living in a state of anarchy with respect to other groups of people. There are really only two alternatives: a one world government, or anarchy.
    Last edited by Centinel; 06-24-12 at 10:38 AM.

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    No, I'm not promoting a one world government. I'm pointing out that in the absence of one single government, what we have are groups of people living in a state of anarchy with respect to other groups of people. There are really only two alternatives: a one world government, or anarchy.
    Are you so blind? Is what we have around here anarchy? Or a One World Government?
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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Are you so blind? Is what we have around here anarchy? Or a One World Government?
    Anarchy. The US exists in a state of anarchy with respect to Canada, for example. The same is true for every country.

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    Re: Should government exist... at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    OK, now in the absolutely perfect world, mans sensitivities would be far greater than todays...the same for tolerances....But, is it possible for man to be "perfect" ??
    Even if "perfect" there is still a need for government.
    The drums are a good example.The buyer/player should have proof that he has a sound-proof room and/or the neighbors permission..
    But, who handles the paperwork, the system, the enforcement ?
    Same with the smoking...and who is to say that the "perfect" man cannot smoke...
    In my day, this smoke-situation was far worse..
    We are progressing.
    What did I just read and why did you quote me?

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