View Poll Results: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

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  • Anyone regardless where they live can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    6 22.22%
  • Anyone who lives in school district can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    3 11.11%
  • Anybody living school district. But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations.

    0 0%
  • Anyone regardless where they live.But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations.

    0 0%
  • Parents regardless where they live can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    1 3.70%
  • Parents who live in school district can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    1 3.70%
  • Parents living in school district. But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations.

    2 7.41%
  • Parents regardless where they live.But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations

    0 0%
  • Public tax payer funded teachers should not have their evaluations released to anyone

    9 33.33%
  • other/I do not know.

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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Hmm - well, as a parent of 4 school kids who pays my taxes every year for public schooling.

    I think I should have more of a say over my kid's schooling environment. If a teacher sucks ****ing nards I don't believe they should be allowed to sabotage my children for an entire school year.

    If things were more 'up to the parents' our education system would be better off.

    They would have to come to a system that still tried to protect the teacher from public scrutiny and without 'harassing' anyone - teacher, student and parent alike - so maybe a meeting of parents without the teacher and a few people from the district/staff (etc) would be more ideal - talk about concerns, share issues, discuss findings of a review - etc - without fear of lashback or getting their children in the hot seat for parental opinions.

    The school should evaluate throughout the year - taking into account issues from students, from parents and other teachers as well as first-hand accounts of events. . .and use that with the teacher throughout the year to focus on issues that need to be addressed and changed - etc.

    People seem all to ready to just hire or fire - but there needs to be a measure of time for improvement or to simply not repeat a problem.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    How many of us (if any), have that special ability to , well, judge others ?
    And, without preconceived notions, bigotry, bias, racism ??
    But, the parents and teachers should meet now and again...but no time ?
    MAKE TIME !
    But, at this point in time, I feel that the principals should do the evaluations, with some input from the children and the parents.

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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You just made the same argument I have made many times about who we are attracting into our education majors / career fields. Let us see now if you get the same YOU MUST HATE AND LOATHE TEACHERS reaction that I do...
    Explain...
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    How many of us (if any), have that special ability to , well, judge others ?
    And, without preconceived notions, bigotry, bias, racism ??
    But, the parents and teachers should meet now and again...but no time ?
    MAKE TIME !
    But, at this point in time, I feel that the principals should do the evaluations, with some input from the children and the parents.
    Was with you until that last line. Teachers already are given very little authority in the classroom; you want to give children even MORE power over them??
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hmm - well, as a parent of 4 school kids who pays my taxes every year for public schooling.

    I think I should have more of a say over my kid's schooling environment. If a teacher sucks ****ing nards I don't believe they should be allowed to sabotage my children for an entire school year.

    If things were more 'up to the parents' our education system would be better off.

    They would have to come to a system that still tried to protect the teacher from public scrutiny and without 'harassing' anyone - teacher, student and parent alike - so maybe a meeting of parents without the teacher and a few people from the district/staff (etc) would be more ideal - talk about concerns, share issues, discuss findings of a review - etc - without fear of lashback or getting their children in the hot seat for parental opinions.

    The school should evaluate throughout the year - taking into account issues from students, from parents and other teachers as well as first-hand accounts of events. . .and use that with the teacher throughout the year to focus on issues that need to be addressed and changed - etc.

    People seem all to ready to just hire or fire - but there needs to be a measure of time for improvement or to simply not repeat a problem.
    Suggestion: Check out post #65.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Explain...
    you argued that we are attracting the under and mediocre performers into education. when i point out that education has alot of under or mediocre performers...

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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Suggestion: Check out post #65.
    Yeah - I read that thought process of yours and didn't even want to take the time to respond.

    It's clear to me that you don't get the concept of 'wanting to be a teacher' - many teachers aim for it from the start or come back around to it after they've pursued other paths in life for a while.

    Haven't you ever had a conversation with your professors or teachers about why or when they began to teach?

    Most teachers I've talked to say they believed they could make a positive difference in the lives of their students and had an already noted ability to handle the behavior and other issues that come along with it - and believe it's worth the struggle.

    Teachers who have been in it for a very long time tend to get worn out with it - these are the ones who develop issues.

    But seeing as how most had an advanced degree in one field or another before pursuing the path to teaching anyway they still have something significant to fall back on.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you argued that we are attracting the under and mediocre performers into education. when i point out that education has alot of under or mediocre performers...
    Yet again, you single out one specific issue AND claim that you have the tools to properly analyze that issue.

    You cannot even begin to proceed with your position until you can defend both of these problems.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - I read that thought process of yours and didn't even want to take the time to respond.

    It's clear to me that you don't get the concept of 'wanting to be a teacher' - many teachers aim for it from the start or come back around to it after they've pursued other paths in life for a while.

    Haven't you ever had a conversation with your professors or teachers about why or when they began to teach?

    Most teachers I've talked to say they believed they could make a positive difference in the lives of their students and had an already noted ability to handle the behavior and other issues that come along with it - and believe it's worth the struggle.

    Teachers who have been in it for a very long time tend to get worn out with it - these are the ones who develop issues.

    But seeing as how most had an advanced degree in one field or another before pursuing the path to teaching anyway they still have something significant to fall back on.
    Wow. Okay, where do I even begin...

    First of all, where did you get your information about why people want to be teachers? Have you been a full-time education student spending multiple years around the same teaching students? Have you worked with teachers day in and day own, getting to know some of their stories intimately well? I have. You know why? Because I am a former teacher. You want know why I'm "former" and not "current"? Post #65, Spiker. Post #65. You and I are not going to be able to have a rational discussion about this issue until you digest that post. Because many, many, many teachers, including more than one that I PERSONALLY KNOW, have had a virtually identical thought process about their careers. And you know what their final conclusion was? To hell with this. To hell with this school system who won't support me, to hell with these parents who berate me for just doing my job, to hell with the disruptive students that know they won't be disciplined, to hell with a society that makes all these problems out to be my fault. Trading in that for a dream job that has these things called "respect" and "excellent pay"? Why wouldn't we! And you wonder why schools have a problem keeping "good" teachers...

    Another thing. That whole "make a difference in kids' lives" reason for teaching. Yep, been there done that. It's a great idea--until you find out just how hard that is to inherently do. But it gets worse--much worse. Teachers have to spend the overwhelming majority of their out-of-class time planning for lessons, grading papers, and dealing with parents, to name a few. And that's on top of the classroom conditions, where even if every single one of the students choose to behave well--which almost never happens in schools in impoverished neighborhoods--it's an incredibly stressful job where you are literally being closely watched every second. That kind of effort takes a monumental level of support. And you know what? A dire lack of that support is consistently cited as one of the top reasons for teacher turnover. Teachers feel taken for granted and basically hung out to dry. Anyone who flatly denies this (not you but some people in society) is an idiot.

    Until you can choose to understand all this, and what I outlined in post #65, you will not have a CLUE why I am talking the way I am.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Wow. Okay, where do I even begin...

    First of all, where did you get your information about why people want to be teachers? Have you been a full-time education student spending multiple years around the same teaching students? Have you worked with teachers day in and day own, getting to know some of their stories intimately well? I have. You know why? Because I am a former teacher. You want know why I'm "former" and not "current"? Post #65, Spiker. Post #65. You and I are not going to be able to have a rational discussion about this issue until you digest that post. Because many, many, many teachers, including more than one that I PERSONALLY KNOW, have had a virtually identical thought process about their careers. And you know what their final conclusion was? To hell with this. To hell with this school system who won't support me, to hell with these parents who berate me for just doing my job, to hell with the disruptive students that know they won't be disciplined, to hell with a society that makes all these problems out to be my fault. Trading in that for a dream job that has these things called "respect" and "excellent pay"? Why wouldn't we! And you wonder why schools have a problem keeping "good" teachers...

    Another thing. That whole "make a difference in kids' lives" reason for teaching. Yep, been there done that. It's a great idea--until you find out just how hard that is to inherently do. But it gets worse--much worse. Teachers have to spend the overwhelming majority of their out-of-class time planning for lessons, grading papers, and dealing with parents, to name a few. And that's on top of the classroom conditions, where even if every single one of the students choose to behave well--which almost never happens in schools in impoverished neighborhoods--it's an incredibly stressful job where you are literally being closely watched every second. That kind of effort takes a monumental level of support. And you know what? A dire lack of that support is consistently cited as one of the top reasons for teacher turnover. Teachers feel taken for granted and basically hung out to dry. Anyone who flatly denies this (not you but some people in society) is an idiot.

    Until you can choose to understand all this, and what I outlined in post #65, you will not have a CLUE why I am talking the way I am.
    So then why'd you start that post with 'your freshman year in college' . . . and present that scenario as if they're at a fork in the road and making decisions. If you were talking about reasons why teachers quit then why didn't you just talk about it?

    Maybe it's the school district I'm in - or my state - who knows . . . but what you detailed isn't at all what my friends have to say about their decision to pursue a path as a teacher at all. It wasn't their 'alternative' choice to anything - maybe for a few it could be. But not a single teacher I know has those issues.

    Sounds like you're looking back - and your friends are looking back - which is far different than how you claim they're suppose to be looking forward.

    So - why did YOU choose to become a teacher? Don't tell me it's because your career as a mathetmatician didn't pan out
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