View Poll Results: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

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  • Anyone regardless where they live can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    6 22.22%
  • Anyone who lives in school district can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    3 11.11%
  • Anybody living school district. But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations.

    0 0%
  • Anyone regardless where they live.But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations.

    0 0%
  • Parents regardless where they live can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    1 3.70%
  • Parents who live in school district can get evaluations just by requesting them.

    1 3.70%
  • Parents living in school district. But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations.

    2 7.41%
  • Parents regardless where they live.But has to schedule an appointment get evaluations

    0 0%
  • Public tax payer funded teachers should not have their evaluations released to anyone

    9 33.33%
  • other/I do not know.

    5 18.52%
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are not their employers, any more than we are not the employer of the mcDonalds worker who makes our food. The local school system is their employer.
    False analogy. One is about public workers. The other is about a private company.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Only their bosses. Job performance evaluations should not be public.
    I think its should be released in general terms, "average teacher performance for x grade or department".

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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    False analogy. One is about public workers. The other is about a private company.
    Being a public worker does not make you their employee. In the same way you should not be able to access my military record from when I served, nor my evaluations from that time, you should not be able to do that with teachers. If you have an issue with a teachers performance, you should go to their boss. As cp said(and it is scarey when he and I agree), those administrators should have more power to discipline and dismiss.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes, but the correct solution to that is to give administrators the ability to fire someone too unethical or incompetent to do the job well.
    I would rather see the evaluations of the administration down to the principal level, and give them the right to run the school as they see fit, including the right to fire the teachers.

    You are correct, if the administrator is doing their job, the poor teachers would be long gone.

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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I would rather see the evaluations of the administration down to the principal level, and give them the right to run the school as they see fit, including the right to fire the teachers.

    You are correct, if the administrator is doing their job, the poor teachers would be long gone.
    But the LAW in some cases, and the union "contract" in other cases, makes this option impossible; to hold someone accountable, they first must REALLY be put in charge, something that we the sheeple have, so far, not done. We keep placing more layers of gov't in the "loop". Teachers now are likely STATE gov't employees. If funding and control were returned to the local school district level, only then could this be done. As it stands now, we have little direct local control, as we keep insisting on more FEDERAL funding, yet seem SHOCKED when that begets more FEDERAL control.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Righties always seem to have such a hard on for teachers... Did you guys have a rough time in school or what?
    What's with you man? Did you not just read my post about not making the evaluations public? But that doesn't fit your template about conservatives, so you go on stubborn as usual with your talking point.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can we do the same for military, police, firefighters, politicians, etc.?
    Sure.Every tax payer funded employee from the school or city hall Janitor/groundskeeper all the way to the president is an employee of the tax payer.As their employers it our business to see the performance evauations of our employees.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are not their employers, any more than we are not the employer of the mcDonalds worker who makes our food. The local school system is their employer.
    That is simply false.Public school teachers are employees of the tax payer, much like police, firefighters, politicians and etc are employees of the tax payer. McDonalds is a privately owned company,employees of McDonalds are employees of a privately own company. Public school teachers do not work for a private company,teachers work for us the tax payer to educate our kids.If you were talking about a private school then you would have a point.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sure.Every tax payer funded employee from the school or city hall Janitor/groundskeeper all the way to the president is an employee of the tax payer.As their employers it our business to see the performance evauations of our employees.
    I would not go that far into public "micro manangement" and violate the privacy of the people that work for us. I trust the gov't to manage its own day to day details, if the overall results are OK, if not, then changes AT THE TOP top are in order - let the new top folks take charge of the details. I would agree that the public be able to see how many, at what position description and at what pay rate each public employee is being used for, but their names, resumes and personnel files are not any public business, IMHO.
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    Re: Who should PUBLIC tax payer funded school teacher evaluations be released to?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is simply false.Public school teachers are employees of the tax payer, much like police, firefighters, politicians and etc are employees of the tax payer. McDonalds is a privately owned company,employees of McDonalds are employees of a privately own company. Public school teachers do not work for a private company,teachers work for us the tax payer to educate our kids.If you were talking about a private school then you would have a point.
    This is simply false. School teachers are paid by the government, but they are employed by the local school system.
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