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    Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Do you think students should be penalized for truancy/tardiness?

    Here's what I think?

    In my opinion, students should not be penalized for truancy/tardiness. Why? Here's my below explanation:

    By expelling students for truancy, you are giving them permission for missing school. In my district, schools are NOT allowed to suspend/expel a student for being truant or tardy. They have a legitimate reason not to do this:

    Expulsions because of truancy does NOT fix the issue and should not be used because it actually encourages students to miss school. Basically, you're telling students that if you want to be exempted from having to go to school for at least two semesters, you must NOT go to school. This type of expulsions also warrants attendance issues because of the results of the expulsion.

    In Milwaukee, if a child is found on the streets, they are not arrested nor face criminal charges. Instead, they are taken to a truancy center found in a Boys & Girls Club and probably counseled on the importance of staying in school. Parents are not sent directly to jail for their child missing school, but is instead fined for not correcting the truancy problem.

    Milwaukee Public Schools understands the results of having expulsions because of truancy and does not allow students to be expelled for habitual truancy, doesn't matter how serious it is. In your opinion, should students be penalized (through the use of expulsions/suspensions) for truancy

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    The purpose of truancy laws is to force students to stay in school.

    The punishment for violating truancy laws is to force students to stay away from the school.

    The fact that this particular form of pig****ing stupidity is common in the public school system is one more reason my children will never see the inside of one unless I'm threatening them with what will happen if they neglect their studies.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Nope, do what most college professors do. Miss x number of days and you fail and have to retake the course (or in this case, grade).
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    I vote no. It gives the kid what he or she wants. Its basically rewarding the kid for skipping school. What they should do is some other form of punishment, maybe Juvenile hall, cominuty service or fining and or jailing the parent.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Nope, do what most college professors do. Miss x number of days and you fail and have to retake the course (or in this case, grade).
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    When I was the union building rep at my high school for over twenty years, the Union Committee and I undertook what became a crusade. We discovered that the average student in our high school was absent some 32 times a semester. That is not a school year but rather just half of it. That is because the school district had no attendance policy.

    So we lobbied and fought and pushed and shoved and finally after a long period of this, the principal relented and agreed to a firm attendance policy in which any student absent more than 15 times would be given a failing grade in the class. Again, that is not 15 times in an academic year but 15 times in one semester normally constituting between 90 and 95 days.

    So we publicized this to the high heavens in the fall semester and everybody abided by it. And miracle of miracles, attendance improved across the board. But we still had a good one-quarter of the school who exceeded the number and they were given the automatic failing grade. And within days, the principal revoked the principal by administrative fiat and ordered the staff to recalculate the grades as if no policy had been in effect.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When I was the union building rep at my high school for over twenty years, the Union Committee and I undertook what became a crusade. We discovered that the average student in our high school was absent some 32 times a semester. That is not a school year but rather just half of it. That is because the school district had no attendance policy.

    So we lobbied and fought and pushed and shoved and finally after a long period of this, the principal relented and agreed to a firm attendance policy in which any student absent more than 15 times would be given a failing grade in the class. Again, that is not 15 times in an academic year but 15 times in one semester normally constituting between 90 and 95 days.

    So we publicized this to the high heavens in the fall semester and everybody abided by it. And miracle of miracles, attendance improved across the board. But we still had a good one-quarter of the school who exceeded the number and they were given the automatic failing grade. And within days, the principal revoked the principal by administrative fiat and ordered the staff to recalculate the grades as if no policy had been in effect.
    I think your approach is the best solution. Although it's a shame that the principal revoked it.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think your approach is the best solution. Although it's a shame that the principal revoked it.
    Thank you. They were simply not willing to absorb some short term pain for a long term gain.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    No, it's absolutely ridiculous. You punish kids who don't come to school by not letting them come to school? What kind of retarded **** is that? Just fail them if they miss a certain number of days.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    No, education should be improved to make it worthwhile to attend in the first place, and bullies and similar malcontents removed so people hate it less. Having skipped 30+ days each of 10th-12th grade, and it not affecting my grades in the least, I'm pretty sure the absence itself wasn't the problem. In contrast, I rarely missed a lecture in college, even though attendance was never taken, because they were both fascinating and necessary to attend to not fail the tests. What's needed to make K-12 less of a joke is competent, better paid teachers and less catering to the bottom that slows the rest of the class down. Also removing study hall, since no one ever studies.

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