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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    It doesn't make sense to expel or suspend someone from a place that you are trying to make them go to.

    It's like this...

    "You've missed two weeks of school with no excuse."

    "I know.."

    "You are expelled!"

    "Umm...ok I wasn't going anyway."
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    When I was in high school I got suspended for skipping a bunch of days. Basically I got an extended vacation. They should have made my punishment be at school. Suspending me only gave me more of what I wanted.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by NameGoesHere View Post
    When I was in high school I got suspended for skipping a bunch of days. Basically I got an extended vacation. They should have made my punishment be at school. Suspending me only gave me more of what I wanted.
    I was suspended once when I was in the 5th grade and loved the hell out of it - they left me home completely alone. No older sisters? Full access to the TV and all else? . . it ****in rocked. I cranked up the stereo real loud - jammed all day.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Heres my experience with Truancy, I was head of security for a large Alternative HS in NJ after retiring. The school was full of kids that had failed or been tossed out of regular HS for everything from Atrocious assaults...robbery, drugs and truancy...the whole gamut of screwed up.
    The policy of the Alternative School was you miss 35 days in a year you fail....NO ONE FAILED, only the kids that didnt come at all for months.
    That is not a truancy policy. I agree that suspending kids for truancy doesnt work...but what does...NOTHING ...the only weapon you have is eventual expulsion and that will only work if they care.\
    Public education has to stop worrying about individual child acheivements or small groups..that have to let some just GO, fail them throw them out on their ear and look at the big goal..>EDUCATING THE MOST KIDS YOU CAN. You cant save them all and were spending too much money and time on the ones that are unsalvageable. Its not fair to all the good kids to keep the dirtbag kids around far longer than you should with them disrupting everything.
    Unfortunately in some states each student has a dollar value...for every student that they lose the school loses 6,000 to 10,000 that has got to stop too.
    Some schools refuse to hold kids back and move forward morons that cant possibly do the work at that level...they do that to keep thier Success Statistics up...its WRONG this whole system of we need to lie and keep dirtbag kids in schools for funding and the appearance of success SUCKS...We need to get back to keeping johnny back and if johnny continues to be a little rectum then for the good of all the other kids Little Johnny gets thrown out on his arse
    But No Child Left Behind says that the schools have to educate them all, whether they want it or not, and that if they fail in that impossible task, then it's all the fault of the school.

    Seriously, there is no way to give anyone an education against their will. Public education should be seen as a privilege, not a right, and certainly not an obligation.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    The purpose of in home suspension was two-fold:
    1) to inform the child their actions were so inconsistent with what we allow that they are to be temporarily removed from the school environment. Basically, what you did was so serious we're considering not having you around at all. In the schools I went to and taught at, a two day in home suspension wasn't over when the two days were up. It was over when, after the two days, the parents and the student met with the administrator and discussed why the child should be allowed back in school.

    2) to inform the parents. This is typically a huge burden for the parents, and one more hassle they just didn't need. So generally, the parents made sure little Johnnie went forth to sin no more.

    But if neither the parents nor the child cares, and the educators cannot find a way to make them care, it's time to cut bait and send the little urchin to the alternative school where they can learn all about if folks will want fries with that.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Yes, because such students would be highly disruptive of other students. They generally are the "bottom that slows down the rest of the class."

    A truant student should be jailed in juvenile detention by the police and banned from having a drivers license until age 18. A "student" would only be released from juvenile detention when all overdue homework was caught up and correctly completed. If they will not do school work in school, do required school work in jail.

    Once old enough to no longer be required to attend school (varies from state to state) then continually truant and tardy students without good reason would be banned from school attendance.

    There must be negative consequences, not feel-good pity rewards, for improper conduct. This, too, is part of the educational process.

    Not to really chance topics, Trayvon Martin was a truant and on repeated suspensions. In response his father rewarded him with candy and total lack of supervision to wander the streets. Until that night, he had only been rewarded from bad behavior and definance. Look how that ended.

    A student who is perpetually truant or tardy with no good reason by the 10th grade is likely so out of control for bad parenting or whatever reasons for many they need be banned from school to not cause any diversions or expenses from students who want to learn. I know students who find school dismal when in classes with goof-offs, those who come when they want or not, etc. Most time then is devoted to those students, at the expense of students who truly want to learn.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    It doesn't make sense to expel or suspend someone from a place that you are trying to make them go to.

    It's like this...

    "You've missed two weeks of school with no excuse."

    "I know.."

    "You are expelled!"

    "Umm...ok I wasn't going anyway."

    Therefore no longer disrupting or holding class back. However, "expelled" if still of required attendance age then should mean spending school time in a juvenile detention center. See how much fun that is as many of them statistically are otherwise headed towards prison anyway. EDUCATE them of their future in case any want to avoid a prison life and/or poverty future.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    ...But if neither the parents nor the child cares, and the educators cannot find a way to make them care, it's time to cut bait and send the little urchin to the alternative school where they can learn all about if folks will want fries with that.

    We actually turned a high school sophmore prone to apathy in school work and increasingly dropping grades and increasingly bad attendance - with that point. At every store, gas station, restaurant. WalMart, grocery store... one of us would ALWAYS point to the person behind the counter, register etc and ask: "If that what you plan to do for the rest of your life because most people end up in jobs like that. If don't want a job like that, YOU better figure how to avoid it and you only have a year or so left to do so."

    It got to that teen, who became a 4.0 student and was SO intense in all aspects of education, not just school, but interships, studies, volunteerism that it resulted in a full university scholarship. That teen no longer is headed towards "do you want to supersize it?" but instead literally towards a PhD in the medical field.

    Pandering is counter productive. Hit teens with REALITY. Negative consequences for negative actions AND for inactions. Then that teen has no excuses as an adult. Take their earned place at the bottom of the social and economic ladder following rules (laws) doing so - or break laws and have a life in prison making our license plates and picking up litter along the roadways.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Depends on the student but many of the worse offenders should be kicked out of school, absolutely.

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