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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Such a child will be sent a fine they get to pay off with an after-school job, and/or hours of community service which will cut into their social time. Life will just keep getting harder and harder for that child the more and more they keep ****ing up.

    Go ahead, little teen, and not pay that fine or not show up for community service and see what happens to you next. Your parent won't have to worry about trying to control you while you're sitting in a juvenile detention center attending forced GED classes and mandatory work-release program.
    The community service might work for some. Not all. My folks moved around alot so I got to the point where I was a loner. (and even today I don't make friends easily). So I would have relished being away from people doing community work. (I actually liked working as a kid BECAUSE it kept me away from people most of the time)
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The community service might work for some. Not all.
    There are no easy-button cure-alls in life, for anything. Stop looking for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    My folks moved around alot so I got to the point where I was a loner. (and even today I don't make friends easily). So I would have relished being away from people doing community work. (I actually liked working as a kid BECAUSE it kept me away from people most of the time)
    Well if we're exchanging subjective personal stories: My X has been trying to home-school my sons for a couple years now. As a result of her unstable lifestyle they're both now a grade behind. I would love for her to be held accountable and put in jail over it.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There are no easy-button cure-alls in life, for anything. Stop looking for them.
    Never said there was or that I was looking for such. There are pro's and con's to everything. I was just listing a con thats all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well if we're exchanging subjective personal stories: My X has been trying to home-school my sons for a couple years now. As a result of her unstable lifestyle they're both now a grade behind. I would love for her to be held accountable and put in jail over it.
    And in this particular case going by just what you've said I would agree with you that the parent needs to be held accountable.

    My objection wasn't that we shouldn't punish the parents for their failures. Just that it seems like everyone wants to punish JUST the parent and NOT the kids.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If the child is under 16: The custodial parent should be punished with fines and/or community service.

    If the child is over 16: The custodial parent and child together should be punished with fines and community service.

    If the child has been reported as a runaway: The child alone should be punished with a sentence to juvenile hall followed by a half-way house if they don't return home.

    Adults should have to show proof of HS diploma or GED in order to receive any form of public assistance. Special considerations are acceptable for adults who can prove they are attending a GED program.
    This is a stupid policy... It seems black and white, it ignores the fact that the student may be successful no matter the days in attendance.... As i already posted, which most failed to read, a student was jailed for missing school. This is despite being an honor roll student with a single parent and juggling 2 jobs, yes i mean the student not the parent.... The problem is people see what they want to in these matters...

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    This is a stupid policy... It seems black and white, it ignores the fact that the student may be successful no matter the days in attendance.... As i already posted, which most failed to read, a student was jailed for missing school. This is despite being an honor roll student with a single parent and juggling 2 jobs, yes i mean the student not the parent.... The problem is people see what they want to in these matters...
    You can't be an honor student while having truancy problems because attendance is part of making the honor roll.

    A truancy policy isn't meant to save the world. There's no way any policy could account for every possible family dynamic. The best we can do is establish the standard.

    Go to class or go to jail. The choice is yours.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Side note: I actually kind of find it funny how so many people claim that you shouldn't punish the child for the wrongs of the parent and yet if the child does wrong and knows they did wrong it is perfectly acceptable to just punish the parent.
    If your 16, you can take responsibility to consent to sex, and consent to an abortion...so therefore you can also get your own ass to school if your parent falls through. Go buy a buss pass. Get a bike from the pawn shop. Get a ride from a friend. Call a Taxi. Jesus man this is how you'll get to your job if your car brakes down one day in the adult world.

    Teens in these ****ed up homes are at a higher risk of becoming pregnant. How the **** are they going to take care of a newborn if they can't even get to school?
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can't be an honor student while having truancy problems because attendance is part of making the honor roll.

    A truancy policy isn't meant to save the world. There's no way any policy could account for every possible family dynamic. The best we can do is establish the standard.

    Go to class or go to jail. The choice is yours.
    This opinion is FALSE, sorry lol... She was i deed an honor student. So, your opinion, even if a student aces test or grades, its more about time served, not about qualuty? If this was the case then students that never missed a day should be honor students, not ones that actally excel in academics... You should not be leaning conservative lol...

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    I see the typos, but thats just this I Pad acting stupid
    Last edited by LibertyBurns; 06-20-12 at 07:20 AM.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    This opinion is FALSE, sorry lol...
    See that's why it seems to you that people aren't reading your posts.

    Here, let me give you an example of how to debate properly outside of the Basement:
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    I'm sorry, Jerry, but while your schools may have linked attendance to honor roll, Willis Independent School District does not. Please see the source below:
    Page 7.
    HONOR ROLL
    Students who reach honor roll status will be recognized in the academic pep-rallies.

    A Honor Roll: All As for each grading period and the entire year.
    A/B Honor Roll: All As and Bs for each grading period.


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    To which I would reply:
    Thank you for that clarification. However, I maintain that a truancy policy is incapable of accounting for every possible family dynamic and needs to merely set the standard. Let the judges account for individual circumstances, like the judge did in your link.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-20-12 at 07:54 AM.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The principal repealed the policy for one reason and one reason only: it raised the level of failures and brought her under the attention of her superiors in administration.

    If the teachers had refused to go along with this, we would have been in violation of our contract and could be sanctioned for it.

    Some people carp that teacher unions only care about money in teachers pockets. This is a clear example where we were trying to get policy changes for the good of students and their education but were stopped by administration.
    I think few people really think teachers only care about teachers profits. Remember that this was not an union action. It was you trying to change local policies for one school.

    However, I can understand very well why the principal repealed the policy. Your policy failed. 1/3 of the students failed, and that is totally unacceptable. And many of these students are not going to learn their lesson. They are going to drop out, or do the same next year. The problem with your policy is this. If you breach the 15 day limit, then there is no point in attending school.

    The aim was legitimate, but next time you need to think about the unintended consequences of your policies.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Heres my experience with Truancy, I was head of security for a large Alternative HS in NJ after retiring. The school was full of kids that had failed or been tossed out of regular HS for everything from Atrocious assaults...robbery, drugs and truancy...the whole gamut of screwed up.
    The policy of the Alternative School was you miss 35 days in a year you fail....NO ONE FAILED, only the kids that didnt come at all for months.
    That is not a truancy policy. I agree that suspending kids for truancy doesnt work...but what does...NOTHING ...the only weapon you have is eventual expulsion and that will only work if they care.\
    Public education has to stop worrying about individual child acheivements or small groups..that have to let some just GO, fail them throw them out on their ear and look at the big goal..>EDUCATING THE MOST KIDS YOU CAN. You cant save them all and were spending too much money and time on the ones that are unsalvageable. Its not fair to all the good kids to keep the dirtbag kids around far longer than you should with them disrupting everything.
    Unfortunately in some states each student has a dollar value...for every student that they lose the school loses 6,000 to 10,000 that has got to stop too.
    Some schools refuse to hold kids back and move forward morons that cant possibly do the work at that level...they do that to keep thier Success Statistics up...its WRONG this whole system of we need to lie and keep dirtbag kids in schools for funding and the appearance of success SUCKS...We need to get back to keeping johnny back and if johnny continues to be a little rectum then for the good of all the other kids Little Johnny gets thrown out on his arse
    Last edited by lpast; 06-20-12 at 08:42 AM.

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