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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    Do you think students should be penalized for truancy/tardiness?

    Here's what I think?

    In my opinion, students should not be penalized for truancy/tardiness. Why? Here's my below explanation:

    By expelling students for truancy, you are giving them permission for missing school. In my district, schools are NOT allowed to suspend/expel a student for being truant or tardy. They have a legitimate reason not to do this:

    Expulsions because of truancy does NOT fix the issue and should not be used because it actually encourages students to miss school. Basically, you're telling students that if you want to be exempted from having to go to school for at least two semesters, you must NOT go to school. This type of expulsions also warrants attendance issues because of the results of the expulsion.

    In Milwaukee, if a child is found on the streets, they are not arrested nor face criminal charges. Instead, they are taken to a truancy center found in a Boys & Girls Club and probably counseled on the importance of staying in school. Parents are not sent directly to jail for their child missing school, but is instead fined for not correcting the truancy problem.

    Milwaukee Public Schools understands the results of having expulsions because of truancy and does not allow students to be expelled for habitual truancy, doesn't matter how serious it is. In your opinion, should students be penalized (through the use of expulsions/suspensions) for truancy
    If the child is under 16: The custodial parent should be punished with fines and/or community service.

    If the child is over 16: The custodial parent and child together should be punished with fines and community service.

    If the child has been reported as a runaway: The child alone should be punished with a sentence to juvenile hall followed by a half-way house if they don't return home.

    Adults should have to show proof of HS diploma or GED in order to receive any form of public assistance. Special considerations are acceptable for adults who can prove they are attending a GED program.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If the child is under 16: The custodial parent should be punished with fines and/or community service.

    If the child is over 16: The custodial parent and child together should be punished with fines and community service.

    If the child has been reported as a runaway: The child alone should be punished with a sentence to juvenile hall followed by a half-way house if they don't return home.

    Adults should have to show proof of HS diploma or GED in order to receive any form of public assistance. Special considerations are acceptable for adults who can prove they are attending a GED program.
    Side note: I actually kind of find it funny how so many people claim that you shouldn't punish the child for the wrongs of the parent and yet if the child does wrong and knows they did wrong it is perfectly acceptable to just punish the parent.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Side note: I actually kind of find it funny how so many people claim that you shouldn't punish the child for the wrongs of the parent and yet if the child does wrong and knows they did wrong it is perfectly acceptable to just punish the parent.
    That's probably because, right or wrong, it's part of our culture to consider parents/guardians as responsible for their children/wards actions...


    In a way that makes sense - if it's uncomfortable to raise your child badly, because you'll be punished (more or less) for what they do wrong until they hit 18, you just might do a better than nothing at all job at it...


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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's probably because, right or wrong, it's part of our culture to consider parents/guardians as responsible for their children/wards actions...


    In a way that makes sense - if it's uncomfortable to raise your child badly, because you'll be punished (more or less) for what they do wrong until they hit 18, you just might do a better than nothing at all job at it...


    Nah.
    That didn't use to be our culture at least until all the Dr. Phil types came out. Use to be that if a child did wrong and knew they did wrong then they would be held responsible and they knew it. Which helped them make the right choices more often than not.

    Now its "the child can do no wrong! It's all the parents fault!" and "everyone is special and no one can lose!". Personally I find much of it dispicable.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That didn't use to be our culture at least until all the Dr. Phil types came out. Use to be that if a child did wrong and knew they did wrong then they would be held responsible and they knew it. Which helped them make the right choices more often than not.

    Now its "the child can do no wrong! It's all the parents fault!" and "everyone is special and no one can lose!". Personally I find much of it dispicable.
    Actually, what I see is that the parents and the children both deny any problem on their own parts, and the teachers/ school admin are blamed. It's really quite a joke, as the teachers have no power to make the kids behave, and the only people who do have legal authority are abdicating their responsibility.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Expelling students for absenteeism can be likened to the legalization of capital punishment.

    Student don't do what they should, i.e., attend class, so the authorities' punishment is identical to the crime. a student skips too much, we permanent skip them by expelling them.

    Societal law states that murder is wrong and that it should not be done, but murderers do what they shouldn't do, i.e., kill, so the authorities then decide to kill them. They may base this decision on if the murder reach a certain level of heinousness or if it was a serial offense and there were numerous victims, but it contradicts the teachings they are trying to uphold.

    Absenteeism: You want me to go to school, and when I don't do what you want, you don't allow me to do what I should do.

    Murder: You don't want me to kill, and when I don't do what you want, you do to me what shouldn't be done.

    All hypocritical policies are poor policies. Clearly, removing the option of school for those who abandon it robs them of the personal and societal benefit to attend when they decide it is a smart choice.

    It is obvious, expelling on absenteeism alone is a very poor policy.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That didn't use to be our culture at least until all the Dr. Phil types came out. Use to be that if a child did wrong and knew they did wrong then they would be held responsible and they knew it. Which helped them make the right choices more often than not.

    Now its "the child can do no wrong! It's all the parents fault!" and "everyone is special and no one can lose!". Personally I find much of it dispicable.
    When the child does wrong, and the parent does nothing, that's when the parents are at fault. It's up to the parents to see to it that the child goes to school and that he does what he needs to to get an education. If the parents abrogate their responsibility, they yes, absolutely, they should be held accountable.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    I vote no. The problem with education isn't attendance, it's that public schools are ****ing terrible. If they want kids to stay, the system is going to have to start making schools more like a place of learning, and a lot less like minimum security prisons for tiny people.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I vote no. The problem with education isn't attendance, it's that public schools are ****ing terrible. If they want kids to stay, the system is going to have to start making schools more like a place of learning, and a lot less like minimum security prisons for tiny people.
    Then perhaps the kids should act like they are there for learning, rather than quasi-criminals and delinquents.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    I think it shoudl depend on the situation -which requires a bit of a case against the student and/or parent.

    Are they gone b/c they skipped - on their own?
    Or are they reliant on Granny or Mom to drive them - and that doesn't happen as often as it should?
    Do they have a job and a complicated life outside of school causing issues?

    Anything that's a blanket will just get a decent kid in a lot of troble - which will affect them for the rest of their life - possibly - when it might not be their cause at all.
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