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Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • No

    Votes: 26 78.8%
  • Total voters
    33
wolv67 said:
Except that you can quit your job at any time and at least attempt to find another that doesn't have such policies, and I'd imagine something actually gets accomplished at your place of work. I doubt employers would put up with co workers being such little ****s to you either as is quite common in K-12. You're also getting paid for it. The "real world" I find is far more what we make of it and has little in common with K-12.
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And if I quit my job there are consequences to doing so. Such as bills not getting paid until I find another.

And are you saying that nothing gets accomplished at school? Personally I would term "learning" as being an accomplishment.

As for being paid...aww...too bad for them...they don't get money. :roll: They get paid by learning. Which is far more than kids in some other countries can say.

And there is far more in common with the real world and K-12 than you make it out to be. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to say the things I did in my previous post and be valid.
 
Probably we had vastly difference experiences, but this is how I see it. If you try to quit school before a certain age you're arrested, that's one difference. Well I've certainly had jobs that are nothing like you described as far as being watched at every turn, though I acknowledge many are like that, sometimes out of necessity. Non profits in particular are more laid back and some people run their own business. I've even done IC work at home in my underwear (TMI i know). The point is we have options, at least more so than K-12.

What I'm saying is that nothing or at least very little gets accomplished at K-12 that a mildly intelligent person couldn't accomplish better at home with a computer and a few books. Yes, it's that ineffective. Well, once basic reading skills has been acquired anyway. That's not saying much that the compensation for 180 days a year of confinement was the brand of learning entailed by watching Casper over and over, or trying to keep my ear drums intact during study hall, or later on having rocks thrown at me in the parking lot.

There were whole classes where a substitute would come in and the dumbasses would just yell and shoot spitballs at the poor guy for an entire hour. I wasn't being taught ****, period, nor did I find myself struggling to catch up once I moved on to college. I find that quite a sad reflection on the current state of K-12 in this country. If that's not true, please tell me how I could skip 30 days a year and it make no difference in grades? You would have me punished for choosing to not endure anymore than I had to that slice of personal hell that served absolutely no purpose? How does any of that relate to the real world?

I'm a big proponent of home schooling though, and from what I've heard on it, standardized test scores are much higher. How is that possible if they aren't learning more outside the classroom, putting the time to better use? HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests - Washington Times

"Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile."
 
wolv67 said:
Probably we had vastly difference experiences, but this is how I see it. If you try to quit school before a certain age you're arrested, that's one difference. Well I've certainly had jobs that are nothing like you described as far as being watched at every turn, though I acknowledge many are like that, sometimes out of necessity. Non profits in particular are more laid back and some people run their own business. I've even done IC work at home in my underwear (TMI i know). The point is we have options, at least more so than K-12.

What I'm saying is that nothing or at least very little gets accomplished at K-12 that a mildly intelligent person couldn't accomplish better at home with a computer and a few books. Yes, it's that ineffective. Well, once basic reading skills has been acquired anyway. That's not saying much that the compensation for 180 days a year of confinement was the brand of learning entailed by watching Casper over and over, or trying to keep my ear drums intact during study hall, or later on having rocks thrown at me in the parking lot.

There were whole classes where a substitute would come in and the dumbasses would just yell and shoot spitballs at the poor guy for an entire hour. I wasn't being taught ****, period, nor did I find myself struggling to catch up once I moved on to college. I find that quite a sad reflection on the current state of K-12 in this country. If that's not true, please tell me how I could skip 30 days a year and it make no difference in grades? You would have me punished for choosing to not endure anymore than I had to that slice of personal hell that served absolutely no purpose? How does any of that relate to the real world?

I'm a big proponent of home schooling though, and from what I've heard on it, standardized test scores are much higher. How is that possible if they aren't learning more outside the classroom, putting the time to better use? HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests - Washington Times

"Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile."
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The same could be said for almost everything we learn in college . . . except for the things that can't be learned via the written word.

I've come across some homeschooled children / parents who couldn't make it work = forced to go back to public school by court order because performance was so poor.

Homeschooling is only successful when the parent is well educated but overall organized and capable of staying on target and in tune with requirements - I've done it enough to know it is an extreme challenge and very complicated. It is not simple. I don't believe that the parents who tried and couldn't make it work weren't intelligent - it's just a lot to handle.
 
wolv67 said:
Yes exactly, most schools public or private are run like a prison, which is particularly cruel given that the only thing one does to deserve this treatment is being born. If they stop making K-12 education a sheer utter waste of time, do away with actual criminal or otherwise harassing behavior, and stop running them like a prison, then we can talk about punishment for skipping.
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Would not "running it like a prison" entail allowing children to come and go as they please and decide which lessons were important enough to pay attention to and which not?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Would not "running it like a prison" entail allowing children to come and go as they please and decide which lessons were important enough to pay attention to and which not?
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Of course not. It's just making kids hate school. If it's worth treating kids as prisoners, then it's worth seeing kids hate school.

If they wanted kids to decide which lessons were important, they would've struck down school suspensions and expulsions. The goal should be giving the children their education, not make them follow a certain rule of authority.

Edit: Kal'Stang, you must obviously be a teacher. The reason they don't do anything if you don't do your homework is because they're wasting 2 seconds of their teaching time giving out detention when they could just fail them. That doesn't make them 'crappy teachers'. At my school, detention is only served for behavioral-wise issues, not academically. Teachers and administrators are not going to keep you after school or on Saturday just because you didn't do your homework. Not to mention, detention at my school is served varely rarely this year, even when we DO have behavioral problems.

To be honest, I don't get that much homework in high school than I did in middle school. Even if we did, nobody is going to keep you after school nor give you detention for not doing it. It's a waste of the teacher's time and the waste of the student's time. So saying that I have crappy teachers JUST because they don't usually do anything if you don't do your homework is dumb.
 
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marcus903 said:
Of course not. It's just making kids hate school. If it's worth treating kids as prisoners, then it's worth seeing kids hate school.

If they wanted kids to decide which lessons were important, they would've struck down school suspensions and expulsions. The goal should be giving the children their education, not make them follow a certain rule of authority.

Edit: Kal'Stang, you must obviously be a teacher. The reason they don't do anything if you don't do your homework is because they're wasting 2 seconds of their teaching time giving out detention when they could just fail them. That doesn't make them 'crappy teachers'. At my school, detention is only served for behavioral-wise issues, not academically. Teachers and administrators are not going to keep you after school or on Saturday just because you didn't do your homework. Not to mention, detention at my school is served varely rarely this year, even when we DO have behavioral problems.

To be honest, I don't get that much homework in high school than I did in middle school. Even if we did, nobody is going to keep you after school nor give you detention for not doing it. It's a waste of the teacher's time and the waste of the student's time. So saying that I have crappy teachers JUST because they don't usually do anything if you don't do your homework is dumb.
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Most kids do not have a problem following the rules . . . a small percentage get in constant trouble and push against 'the system'

If it work for the majority of students so they can get a decent education - and they're not complaining - what's your issue?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Most kids do not have a problem following the rules . . . a small percentage get in constant trouble and push against 'the system'

If it work for the majority of students so they can get a decent education - and they're not complaining - what's your issue?
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I'm not talking about the 'rules' in general. I'm talking about having to abide to a certain authority. For example, when your teacher does something that is rude or inappropriate for the students, we cannot point out that it's not polite to do it. Plus, some teachers are also known for their rudeness when it comes to irritating situations and will whether yell at you or will rudely demand you to do something. Students have to follow this type of authority.

"Rules" are there for a reason. "Rules of authority" are there because some teachers (at least at the schools I've been to) seem to think they're more superior than the students. If the courts, states, and federal government made laws regarding the rules of authority, then I have a theory that there will probably be less students hating school.
 
marcus903 said:
I'm not talking about the 'rules' in general. I'm talking about having to abide to a certain authority. For example, when your teacher does something that is rude or inappropriate for the students, we cannot point out that it's not polite to do it. Plus, some teachers are also known for their rudeness when it comes to irritating situations and will whether yell at you or will rudely demand you to do something. Students have to follow this type of authority.

"Rules" are there for a reason. "Rules of authority" are there because some teachers (at least at the schools I've been to) seem to think they're more superior than the students. If the courts, states, and federal government made laws regarding the rules of authority, then I have a theory that there will probably be less students hating school.
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I fail to see the issue.

There are still measures that can be taken and a defined path for when teachers are behaving innapropriately.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I fail to see the issue.

There are still measures that can be taken and a defined path for when teachers are behaving innapropriately.
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Okay, how's this:

The issue is not the rules. Okay? I have no issue with following the rules.

You don't seem to know what I mean. I don't even know if this is the case. It's just a theory.

Whatever the issue is, it's not the rules.
 
marcus903 said:
Okay, how's this:

The issue is not the rules. Okay? I have no issue with following the rules.

You don't seem to know what I mean. I don't even know if this is the case. It's just a theory.

Whatever the issue is, it's not the rules.
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I meant that I understand what you're saying about it. But I don't see why it gets to you in the way that it does.

I see it as being acceptable - and it should be no other way.
You have an issue with it overall.
 
marcus903 said:
Okay, how's this:

The issue is not the rules. Okay? I have no issue with following the rules.

You don't seem to know what I mean. I don't even know if this is the case. It's just a theory.

Whatever the issue is, it's not the rules.
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So what is it?

What, exactly, do you mean by running the school like a prison?
 
marcus903 said:
I just explained it, I don't think that's the issue.

I will not explain it because I don't want to start a flame war over what I said.
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Flame Wars are not allowed at DP. So go ahead and explain what you meant.
 
wolv67 said:
Except that you can quit your job at any time and at least attempt to find another that doesn't have such policies, and I'd imagine something actually gets accomplished at your place of work. I doubt employers would put up with co workers being such little ****s to you either as is quite common in K-12. You're also getting paid for it. The "real world" I find is far more what we make of it and has little in common with K-12.
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It is being an adult versus being a kid. An adult would know this...
 
Reading some comments in this thread I really wonder if some of you here aren't actually adults - are some of you still in school? What age, here - 16, 17? Comparing K-12 to prison, slavery, and employment? Come on - where's the maturity and common sense?

When you become an adult and have your own children - and they start to attend school . .. you'll see things for what they really are and you'll see them more clearly.

My kids thoroughly enjoy going to school - and by the end of the summer they miss some of their friends and their structured school environment so much that they get bummed out completely and excited to go back.

Sounds like some of you maybe went to school and didn't do too well - maybe you were too stubborn or always in trouble? School *is* quite enjoyable for students who enjoy learning and growing as individuals; socially and educationally.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Flame Wars are not allowed at DP. So go ahead and explain what you meant.
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I meant students having to abide to a certain rule of authority. If the teacher is doing something that they find inappropriate, they can't just point out that's it's not polite. I also have an issue with a few of the staff I had who would just yell at students very rudely. The reasons to yell at us isn't usually because of a severe rule violation, but because they can't seem to handle a student coming to their office without a pass or student walking around when class haven't started yet. These two issues can be remedied by a polite and appropriate 'please and thank you' or in a polite tone. Students can't even express themselves, most likely because teachers think they are more superior than the students. This is why I believe students are hating school. If students didn't have to follow a certain rule of authority, and just had to follow the rules of the school AND the classroom, then in my book, it might decrease the number of students who hate school.

However, this only been happening at my school, so I don't know if that's the case.

Again, the 'rules' are not the problem I am having. They are there for a reason. The 'rules of authority' is the issue and I think that was mentioned in a documentory on Youtube.

Edit: To be clear, I'm 17 and still in high school. I don't actually 'dislike' school because of this reason. In fact, I currently had very few classmates who hate school. It's just a theory.

Edit 2: Auntie Dot, instead of assuming that I've gotten into trouble at school; please be aware that I have no suspensions on my record. I've been threaten WITH suspensions, most of them because of administrators/teachers who don't understand what a 'pass' is or is too strict about the rules. (I had a teacher this year who were temporarily an administrator who went overboard with students walking the halls). Also, be aware that I am the only person in this thread who isn't an adult yet. Even if I was, I could be researching some unneccessary suspensions and expulsions on the internet. Did I mention that there is very few students who hate school? Your kids may be honor roll students who don't have any disorders or behavioral problems that may be causing students to have issues regarding school? You could live in a district where there hasn't been any dumb/illogical expulsions. I like my school district (Milwaukee Public Schools) and the school I go to because they're not heavily-dramatic out of the box dumbasses like the ones in Chicago Public Schools or the other districts in the United States. There hasn't been ONE illogical expulsion/suspension every since MPS was established AND they don't allow their schools to be more like prisons. The only problem I am having is that it's very difficult to reach the superintendent and the Central Office Staff NEVER answer the emails I send them, but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. Just because I am claiming how some students hate school doesn't mean I hate school myself or I live in a horrible school.
 
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Marcus - when you have kids be sure to inform them of their proper 'channels' - coming to you, going to certain other individuals.

When adults are corrected by children it often is a problem because children are not tactile in their approach, they're wrong in their view completely, or they're rude when they do so.

so there are proper channels for chilren to complain about teacher behavior - and it is not directly confronting the teacher the moment something takes place unless it's extreme.
 
marcus903 said:
Do you think students should be penalized for truancy/tardiness?

Here's what I think?

In my opinion, students should not be penalized for truancy/tardiness. Why? Here's my below explanation:

By expelling students for truancy, you are giving them permission for missing school. In my district, schools are NOT allowed to suspend/expel a student for being truant or tardy. They have a legitimate reason not to do this:

Expulsions because of truancy does NOT fix the issue and should not be used because it actually encourages students to miss school. Basically, you're telling students that if you want to be exempted from having to go to school for at least two semesters, you must NOT go to school. This type of expulsions also warrants attendance issues because of the results of the expulsion.

In Milwaukee, if a child is found on the streets, they are not arrested nor face criminal charges. Instead, they are taken to a truancy center found in a Boys & Girls Club and probably counseled on the importance of staying in school. Parents are not sent directly to jail for their child missing school, but is instead fined for not correcting the truancy problem.

Milwaukee Public Schools understands the results of having expulsions because of truancy and does not allow students to be expelled for habitual truancy, doesn't matter how serious it is. In your opinion, should students be penalized (through the use of expulsions/suspensions) for truancy
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My concern is that whatever habits you pickup in school, will most likely carry over into the workplace. As an employer, do you think it's right to fire an employee who is excessively late or who simply no-shows from time to time?
 
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lunchbox said:
My concern is that whatever habits you pickup in school, will eventually carry over into the workplace. As an employer, do you think it's right to fire an employee who is excessively late or who simply no-shows from time to time?
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Responsibility comes in measured doses as you grow - being fully responsible for your own timeliness and actions is one of those measured doses when you become an independent adult.

When you're young - you're dependent on your parents - it's up to them to shape your values as needed to prepare you for individualism later on. When they aren't able to do this fully - the child becoming adult struggles more.

Most young individuals I've hired on were reliable, though - quite solid employees.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Reading some comments in this thread I really wonder if some of you here aren't actually adults - are some of you still in school? What age, here - 16, 17? Comparing K-12 to prison, slavery, and employment? Come on - where's the maturity and common sense?

When you become an adult and have your own children - and they start to attend school . .. you'll see things for what they really are and you'll see them more clearly.

My kids thoroughly enjoy going to school - and by the end of the summer they miss some of their friends and their structured school environment so much that they get bummed out completely and excited to go back.

Sounds like some of you maybe went to school and didn't do too well - maybe you were too stubborn or always in trouble? School *is* quite enjoyable for students who enjoy learning and growing as individuals; socially and educationally.
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Everyone in my family enjoyed a good, which is to say middle-class "normal", school to attend most of their life - so I can agree with what you've said here with that stipulation. But because of our financial situation when my daughter was young she did have trouble because the school sucked. It was not what I call "normal". Once we moved to a better school district she had no problems to speak of and looked forward to school as you've described.

I know I've rambled but the point is, the school district really does make the difference. Some districts have the "we're here to teach" mindset and stick to it while others have the "we're here to babysit" mentality usually forced on them by politics - and they're as different as night and day.
 
Hmm (response to your edit in the previous post of yours) - actually, Marcus - I have four children. My oldest is autistic. My 2nd son has serious behavior problems; theft, attitude and attention seeking. He has been suspended and scrutinized for cheating and stealing for many years. Our daughter suffers from a charming sense of overbloated self worth; she's as cocky as they get and that has caused herself many issues and our youngest is a normal kid - in K last year he found himself in the principles office more than once.

But, yes, they all make good grades - even our autistic child has excelled. In the last two years our 2nd child who has caused more trouble than you can likely imagine has matured and come to accept that there are consequences and dire punishment for all his actions.

All in all; they still thoroughly enjoy school. Being troublesome at times - they still benefit greatly from it.

It is our goal that they grow into balanced and mature adults - no matter how much of a struggle it is between now and then.

Why?

They have no choice.

Life is much more than friends being mean on the playground and sweets hiding in the teacher's desk.

See = we're very active and involved parents . . .what's worse: dealing with some mediocre school authority - - or dealing with me right when they get home from school?

yeah - the less trouble they cause at school the better off their nights and weekends are. I'm avid about denying the joys in life - if they want freedom, fun and enjoyment they need to behave properly. They're too young and immature to make these decisions for theirselves . . . I'm Mom - they're my rules and they will be followed.

Follow the rules and life is full of fun, late nights, movies, video games and parents who are proud, happy and content with said children.

Adding: Do I sound like a prison warden? Well good. Because one thing I had to learn in life the hard way is that actions have lifelong consequences. I have children because when I was a teen I defied my parents, authority and common sense and ended up pregnant. My adult life has been full of lessons I should have learned by the age of 14. Actions have consquence - life can suck.

No - life is not full of freedom.

Adults have bills to pay, responsibilities to see to no matter WHAT. My children still must be fed, clothed and cleaned. I cannot just slack on life lest these essentials in *their* lives go undone. This was a lesson that took me several parenting-years to learn. My husband works not because he enjoys his job or really wants to - but because we have a family we must provide for.

Adulthood isn't unbound freedom. Adulthood is the epitomy of self-reliance. Tehre will be no Mommy and Daddy to correct you when you're wrong and guide you when your adult life gets rough and complicated.

You must get yourself up in the morning.
You must get to work on time.
You must take care of your own health and your own teeth.

If you break the rules = you can go to jail. . . far different than heading off to in school suspension.

Life gets harder as you age - you must become more independent and self-reliant . . . there's no time-out and no class bell to keep you on task.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm (response to your edit in the previous post of yours) - actually, Marcus - I have four children. My oldest is autistic. My 2nd son has serious behavior problems; theft, attitude and attention seeking. He has been suspended and scrutinized for cheating and stealing for many years. Our daughter suffers from a charming sense of overbloated self worth; she's as cocky as they get and that has caused herself many issues and our youngest is a normal kid - in K last year he found himself in the principles office more than once.

But, yes, they all make good grades - even our autistic child has excelled. In the last two years our 2nd child who has caused more trouble than you can likely imagine has matured and come to accept that there are consequences and dire punishment for all his actions.

All in all; they still thoroughly enjoy school. Being troublesome at times - they still benefit greatly from it.

It is our goal that they grow into balanced and mature adults - no matter how much of a struggle it is between now and then.

Why?

They have no choice.

Life is much more than friends being mean on the playground and sweets hiding in the teacher's desk.

See = we're very active and involved parents . . .what's worse: dealing with some mediocre school authority - - or dealing with me right when they get home from school?

yeah - the less trouble they cause at school the better off their nights and weekends are. I'm avid about denying the joys in life - if they want freedom, fun and enjoyment they need to behave properly. They're too young and immature to make these decisions for theirselves . . . I'm Mom - they're my rules and they will be followed.

Follow the rules and life is full of fun, late nights, movies, video games and parents who are proud, happy and content with said children.

Adding: Do I sound like a prison warden? Well good. Because one thing I had to learn in life the hard way is that actions have lifelong consequences. I have children because when I was a teen I defied my parents, authority and common sense and ended up pregnant. My adult life has been full of lessons I should have learned by the age of 14. Actions have consquence - life can suck.

No - life is not full of freedom.

Adults have bills to pay, responsibilities to see to no matter WHAT. My children still must be fed, clothed and cleaned. I cannot just slack on life lest these essentials in *their* lives go undone. This was a lesson that took me several parenting-years to learn. My husband works not because he enjoys his job or really wants to - but because we have a family we must provide for.

Adulthood isn't unbound freedom. Adulthood is the epitomy of self-reliance. Tehre will be no Mommy and Daddy to correct you when you're wrong and guide you when your adult life gets rough and complicated.

You must get yourself up in the morning.
You must get to work on time.
You must take care of your own health and your own teeth.

If you break the rules = you can go to jail. . . far different than heading off to in school suspension.

Life gets harder as you age - you must become more independent and self-reliant . . . there's no time-out and no class bell to keep you on task.
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An excellent read...
I'd nominate you for "mom of the year".
 
marcus903 said:
Do you think students should be penalized for truancy/tardiness?
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Well, in the real world, they come in late or miss work, they get fired. I agree suspension is not the right way to get that concept into their little brains. But there needs to be consequences.

Either no participation in any fun 'events' the school has, or perhaps a bit of caining or something that will sink the message in.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
It is our goal that they grow into balanced and mature adults - no matter how much of a struggle it is between now and then.

Why?

They have no choice.

Life is much more than friends being mean on the playground and sweets hiding in the teacher's desk.

See = we're very active and involved parents . . .what's worse: dealing with some mediocre school authority - - or dealing with me right when they get home from school?

yeah - the less trouble they cause at school the better off their nights and weekends are. I'm avid about denying the joys in life - if they want freedom, fun and enjoyment they need to behave properly. They're too young and immature to make these decisions for theirselves . . . I'm Mom - they're my rules and they will be followed.

Follow the rules and life is full of fun, late nights, movies, video games and parents who are proud, happy and content with said children.

Adding: Do I sound like a prison warden? Well good. Because one thing I had to learn in life the hard way is that actions have lifelong consequences. I have children because when I was a teen I defied my parents, authority and common sense and ended up pregnant. My adult life has been full of lessons I should have learned by the age of 14. Actions have consquence - life can suck.

No - life is not full of freedom.

Adults have bills to pay, responsibilities to see to no matter WHAT. My children still must be fed, clothed and cleaned. I cannot just slack on life lest these essentials in *their* lives go undone. This was a lesson that took me several parenting-years to learn. My husband works not because he enjoys his job or really wants to - but because we have a family we must provide for.

Adulthood isn't unbound freedom. Adulthood is the epitomy of self-reliance. Tehre will be no Mommy and Daddy to correct you when you're wrong and guide you when your adult life gets rough and complicated.

You must get yourself up in the morning.
You must get to work on time.
You must take care of your own health and your own teeth.

If you break the rules = you can go to jail. . . far different than heading off to in school suspension.

Life gets harder as you age - you must become more independent and self-reliant . . . there's no time-out and no class bell to keep you on task.
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All well said.

As I have often repeated to mine, life is not easy, life is not fair. Your boss doesn't care if you feel a bit tired or don't feel like doing anything on any given day. Words do not hurt you, your response to them does. Most people don't know you and don't care about you or your silly problems, get over it.

Someday some of that might sink in.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm (response to your edit in the previous post of yours) - actually, Marcus - I have four children. My oldest is autistic. My 2nd son has serious behavior problems; theft, attitude and attention seeking. He has been suspended and scrutinized for cheating and stealing for many years. Our daughter suffers from a charming sense of overbloated self worth; she's as cocky as they get and that has caused herself many issues and our youngest is a normal kid - in K last year he found himself in the principles office more than once.

But, yes, they all make good grades - even our autistic child has excelled. In the last two years our 2nd child who has caused more trouble than you can likely imagine has matured and come to accept that there are consequences and dire punishment for all his actions.

All in all; they still thoroughly enjoy school. Being troublesome at times - they still benefit greatly from it.

It is our goal that they grow into balanced and mature adults - no matter how much of a struggle it is between now and then.

Why?

They have no choice.

Life is much more than friends being mean on the playground and sweets hiding in the teacher's desk.

See = we're very active and involved parents . . .what's worse: dealing with some mediocre school authority - - or dealing with me right when they get home from school?

yeah - the less trouble they cause at school the better off their nights and weekends are. I'm avid about denying the joys in life - if they want freedom, fun and enjoyment they need to behave properly. They're too young and immature to make these decisions for theirselves . . . I'm Mom - they're my rules and they will be followed.

Follow the rules and life is full of fun, late nights, movies, video games and parents who are proud, happy and content with said children.

Adding: Do I sound like a prison warden? Well good. Because one thing I had to learn in life the hard way is that actions have lifelong consequences. I have children because when I was a teen I defied my parents, authority and common sense and ended up pregnant. My adult life has been full of lessons I should have learned by the age of 14. Actions have consquence - life can suck.

No - life is not full of freedom.

Adults have bills to pay, responsibilities to see to no matter WHAT. My children still must be fed, clothed and cleaned. I cannot just slack on life lest these essentials in *their* lives go undone. This was a lesson that took me several parenting-years to learn. My husband works not because he enjoys his job or really wants to - but because we have a family we must provide for.

Adulthood isn't unbound freedom. Adulthood is the epitomy of self-reliance. Tehre will be no Mommy and Daddy to correct you when you're wrong and guide you when your adult life gets rough and complicated.

You must get yourself up in the morning.
You must get to work on time.
You must take care of your own health and your own teeth.

If you break the rules = you can go to jail. . . far different than heading off to in school suspension.

Life gets harder as you age - you must become more independent and self-reliant . . . there's no time-out and no class bell to keep you on task.
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This is one reason why I didn't want to explain what I meant by why I think kids 'hate' school. This person doesn't seem to get what 'I don't have an issue with the rules' mean. In fact, this person actually thought I explained how students with disorders actually have behavioral issues. Being 'autistic' doesn't stop you from having good grades. I just said it was a possibility.

Secondly, did I mention that I'm autistic myself? My autism actually affects my behavior and academic progress. Whenever I am focused on my imagination, I am known to chew my shirts, putting holes in it and causing others to question the problem. I also enjoy sitting on the floor for comfort and relaxation (both at school AND in public). Because I am focused on my imagination and NOT my schoolwork; I currently have a 2.1 GPA for the second mark period, a 2.3 for the second semester and a 2.2 Cumulative.

But be aware that I do have 12 credits. But most students at my school only have 11. So, I'm one-step above than my classmates.

I also have a cognitive disorder, in which information enters my brain and exits right back out.

Not only that, I had ADHD, which causes me to rush through my work.

Let me give a list of my grades this quarter to show you how my disabilities is affecting my work:
Chemistry - B (Exam - N/A)
English 10 - C (Exam - B)
Fit For Life 1 - C (Exam - U)
Geometry - C (Exam - U)
Skill Streaming - B (Resource Period - Exam doesn't count)
United States Hisory - C (Exam - U)

Don't give me the dumb assumption 'thees rn't bcuse uf ur disubilitie, u just makeng up excooses' because I'm pretty sure there are several students who also have disabilities that effects their work.

U = No Credit

Even though I failed 3 exams, I have more credits than most of my classmates and have been promoted to the next grade. Don't think by 'exams' I mean 'classes'. Because believe it or not, I've passed ALL of the classes I had this year and the previous year.

Again, the 'rules' at my school isn't a problem.
 
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