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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    The use of IN SCHOOL detention is the best option for many minor school rule infractions, but that only works for tardiness, obviously you can not detain one that is not even present. Allowing random attendence, is INSANE. Truancy (habitual unexcused absense) is a crime in most states, and should be handled as such, using juvenile arrest and reform school. That leaves the middle ground of skippng days here and there, to force more time away from school as punishment for missing time from school, makes ZERO sense, only the gov't could even dream up such nonsense. If the absense is "unexcused" then simply record it, if enough of them accumulate to constitute truancy, then make an arrest. Suspension and expulsion (forced truancy?) should be reserved for the more serious (or repeated minor) behavioral problems while on school grounds, and used a lot more than they are now. Teachers are forced to spend far too much of their time dealing with the 2% that act like morons, and that detracts from educating the 98% that may otherwise learn more.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Failing them if they reach a certain amount of days has some problems, because it will encourage high school drop outs. It is better to have limits.

    If you miss 10 days, then your grade gets multiplied by 0.9
    If you miss 20 days, then your grade gets multiplied by 0.8
    If you miss 30 days, you will fail.

    Most students will avoid hitting the first penalty, but if they do they won't fail and be discouraged.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    The problem with this idea of failing students who don't come to school is that they basically have to repeat a year - do that enough and we'll have 20 y/o high school juniors, or something.


    Unless there is some kind of mandatory remedial schooling, whether during the school year so they can graduate to the next grade, or during the summer so they can graduate to the next grade before the next school year starts, some kind of replacement is necessary.

    Problem with THAT is, how the hell do you enforce it?
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The problem with this idea of failing students who don't come to school is that they basically have to repeat a year - do that enough and we'll have 20 y/o high school juniors, or something.
    I just don't see the problem with that. At age16 if they still can't get their asses to school on time, they can drop out.

    Unless there is some kind of mandatory remedial schooling, whether during the school year so they can graduate to the next grade, or during the summer so they can graduate to the next grade before the next school year starts, some kind of replacement is necessary.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I just don't see the problem with that. At age16 if they still can't get their asses to school on time, they can drop out.



    Why?
    I suppose I'm looking at this from the perspective of "if less than 99% of students graduate with an at least adequate education, then the education system is a failure"...

    And I'm thinking that if they don't come to school on some days, they need to make up that time either during or after (read: summer classes) the school year, so that they are prepared for the next grade come next semester...

    But I tend to be a tad idealistic when it comes to how I want education to be, so meh...
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I suppose I'm looking at this from the perspective of "if less than 99% of students graduate with an at least adequate education, then the education system is a failure"...

    And I'm thinking that if they don't come to school on some days, they need to make up that time either during or after (read: summer classes) the school year, so that they are prepared for the next grade come next semester...

    But I tend to be a tad idealistic when it comes to how I want education to be, so meh...
    I'm more of quality over quantity guy myself. Personally I think our system just leads a bunch of unprepared children into the real world where they will be forced into responsibility they were not adequately prepared for. Sometimes we gotta accept responsibility in ways that cannot be redeemed, but they serve as a reminder to us later that you can't always rely on the system to hold your hand. If a kid has to wait until the age 20 to graduate, hopefully at 20 they had learned responsibility so when they go out into the real world, they'll be ready. Same with the kid who dropped out and eventually had to find a job or go get a GED. I myself didn't learn responsibility until my second year of college when I decided I'd rather push through the tough times than be a failure.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I'm more of quality over quantity guy myself. Personally I think our system just leads a bunch of unprepared children into the real world where they will be forced into responsibility they were not adequately prepared for. Sometimes we gotta accept responsibility in ways that cannot be redeemed, but they serve as a reminder to us later that you can't always rely on the system to hold your hand. If a kid has to wait until the age 20 to graduate, hopefully at 20 they had learned responsibility so when they go out into the real world, they'll be ready. Same with the kid who dropped out and eventually had to find a job or go get a GED. I myself didn't learn responsibility until my second year of college when I decided I'd rather push through the tough times than be a failure.
    In a way, I agree with you - one of the problems I see in our educational system is that it tends to try and apply the same teaching process to students who in many cases, due to their individual quirks, need different teaching processes to learn optimally.

    But I think the responsibility bit is a combo of parenting and environment, not to mention genes in the sense that they effect the growth/development of the child…some parents do a better job than others at instilling it in their children…

    And in the end, the decision is up to the individual child/adult person...
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    And in the end, the decision is up to the individual child/adult person...
    You're absolutely correct that it is the decision of the individual to embrace responsibility. However, certain environments encourage it while others do not. It's difficult for a child to accept responsibility because it hits them in a two pronged way. Both they have to accept the negatives of the world and the added discipline required to function in said world. Such a change is not something most children will easily or willingly go into, regardless of the benefit to them long term.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Expelled or suspended? Certainly not. They're skipping school and all that they want to do is suspend or expell them? Seems awfully counter productive to me. If anything they should be required to spend 2 days extra at the end of the school year for each un-excused absense that they have.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Think most people would say suspension for missing school doesn't make the most sense. What about jailtime? Lol
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