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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    Okay, how's this:

    The issue is not the rules. Okay? I have no issue with following the rules.

    You don't seem to know what I mean. I don't even know if this is the case. It's just a theory.

    Whatever the issue is, it's not the rules.
    So what is it?

    What, exactly, do you mean by running the school like a prison?
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So what is it?

    What, exactly, do you mean by running the school like a prison?
    I just explained it, I don't think that's the issue.

    I will not explain it because I don't want to start a flame war over what I said.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    I just explained it, I don't think that's the issue.

    I will not explain it because I don't want to start a flame war over what I said.
    Flame Wars are not allowed at DP. So go ahead and explain what you meant.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    Except that you can quit your job at any time and at least attempt to find another that doesn't have such policies, and I'd imagine something actually gets accomplished at your place of work. I doubt employers would put up with co workers being such little ****s to you either as is quite common in K-12. You're also getting paid for it. The "real world" I find is far more what we make of it and has little in common with K-12.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Reading some comments in this thread I really wonder if some of you here aren't actually adults - are some of you still in school? What age, here - 16, 17? Comparing K-12 to prison, slavery, and employment? Come on - where's the maturity and common sense?

    When you become an adult and have your own children - and they start to attend school . .. you'll see things for what they really are and you'll see them more clearly.

    My kids thoroughly enjoy going to school - and by the end of the summer they miss some of their friends and their structured school environment so much that they get bummed out completely and excited to go back.

    Sounds like some of you maybe went to school and didn't do too well - maybe you were too stubborn or always in trouble? School *is* quite enjoyable for students who enjoy learning and growing as individuals; socially and educationally.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Flame Wars are not allowed at DP. So go ahead and explain what you meant.
    I meant students having to abide to a certain rule of authority. If the teacher is doing something that they find inappropriate, they can't just point out that's it's not polite. I also have an issue with a few of the staff I had who would just yell at students very rudely. The reasons to yell at us isn't usually because of a severe rule violation, but because they can't seem to handle a student coming to their office without a pass or student walking around when class haven't started yet. These two issues can be remedied by a polite and appropriate 'please and thank you' or in a polite tone. Students can't even express themselves, most likely because teachers think they are more superior than the students. This is why I believe students are hating school. If students didn't have to follow a certain rule of authority, and just had to follow the rules of the school AND the classroom, then in my book, it might decrease the number of students who hate school.

    However, this only been happening at my school, so I don't know if that's the case.

    Again, the 'rules' are not the problem I am having. They are there for a reason. The 'rules of authority' is the issue and I think that was mentioned in a documentory on Youtube.

    Edit: To be clear, I'm 17 and still in high school. I don't actually 'dislike' school because of this reason. In fact, I currently had very few classmates who hate school. It's just a theory.

    Edit 2: Auntie Dot, instead of assuming that I've gotten into trouble at school; please be aware that I have no suspensions on my record. I've been threaten WITH suspensions, most of them because of administrators/teachers who don't understand what a 'pass' is or is too strict about the rules. (I had a teacher this year who were temporarily an administrator who went overboard with students walking the halls). Also, be aware that I am the only person in this thread who isn't an adult yet. Even if I was, I could be researching some unneccessary suspensions and expulsions on the internet. Did I mention that there is very few students who hate school? Your kids may be honor roll students who don't have any disorders or behavioral problems that may be causing students to have issues regarding school? You could live in a district where there hasn't been any dumb/illogical expulsions. I like my school district (Milwaukee Public Schools) and the school I go to because they're not heavily-dramatic out of the box dumbasses like the ones in Chicago Public Schools or the other districts in the United States. There hasn't been ONE illogical expulsion/suspension every since MPS was established AND they don't allow their schools to be more like prisons. The only problem I am having is that it's very difficult to reach the superintendent and the Central Office Staff NEVER answer the emails I send them, but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. Just because I am claiming how some students hate school doesn't mean I hate school myself or I live in a horrible school.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Marcus - when you have kids be sure to inform them of their proper 'channels' - coming to you, going to certain other individuals.

    When adults are corrected by children it often is a problem because children are not tactile in their approach, they're wrong in their view completely, or they're rude when they do so.

    so there are proper channels for chilren to complain about teacher behavior - and it is not directly confronting the teacher the moment something takes place unless it's extreme.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    Do you think students should be penalized for truancy/tardiness?

    Here's what I think?

    In my opinion, students should not be penalized for truancy/tardiness. Why? Here's my below explanation:

    By expelling students for truancy, you are giving them permission for missing school. In my district, schools are NOT allowed to suspend/expel a student for being truant or tardy. They have a legitimate reason not to do this:

    Expulsions because of truancy does NOT fix the issue and should not be used because it actually encourages students to miss school. Basically, you're telling students that if you want to be exempted from having to go to school for at least two semesters, you must NOT go to school. This type of expulsions also warrants attendance issues because of the results of the expulsion.

    In Milwaukee, if a child is found on the streets, they are not arrested nor face criminal charges. Instead, they are taken to a truancy center found in a Boys & Girls Club and probably counseled on the importance of staying in school. Parents are not sent directly to jail for their child missing school, but is instead fined for not correcting the truancy problem.

    Milwaukee Public Schools understands the results of having expulsions because of truancy and does not allow students to be expelled for habitual truancy, doesn't matter how serious it is. In your opinion, should students be penalized (through the use of expulsions/suspensions) for truancy
    My concern is that whatever habits you pickup in school, will most likely carry over into the workplace. As an employer, do you think it's right to fire an employee who is excessively late or who simply no-shows from time to time?
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    My concern is that whatever habits you pickup in school, will eventually carry over into the workplace. As an employer, do you think it's right to fire an employee who is excessively late or who simply no-shows from time to time?
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    When you're young - you're dependent on your parents - it's up to them to shape your values as needed to prepare you for individualism later on. When they aren't able to do this fully - the child becoming adult struggles more.

    Most young individuals I've hired on were reliable, though - quite solid employees.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Reading some comments in this thread I really wonder if some of you here aren't actually adults - are some of you still in school? What age, here - 16, 17? Comparing K-12 to prison, slavery, and employment? Come on - where's the maturity and common sense?

    When you become an adult and have your own children - and they start to attend school . .. you'll see things for what they really are and you'll see them more clearly.

    My kids thoroughly enjoy going to school - and by the end of the summer they miss some of their friends and their structured school environment so much that they get bummed out completely and excited to go back.

    Sounds like some of you maybe went to school and didn't do too well - maybe you were too stubborn or always in trouble? School *is* quite enjoyable for students who enjoy learning and growing as individuals; socially and educationally.
    Everyone in my family enjoyed a good, which is to say middle-class "normal", school to attend most of their life - so I can agree with what you've said here with that stipulation. But because of our financial situation when my daughter was young she did have trouble because the school sucked. It was not what I call "normal". Once we moved to a better school district she had no problems to speak of and looked forward to school as you've described.

    I know I've rambled but the point is, the school district really does make the difference. Some districts have the "we're here to teach" mindset and stick to it while others have the "we're here to babysit" mentality usually forced on them by politics - and they're as different as night and day.
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