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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    It makes sense to me to reserve the worst punishments for the worst behavior - when a student makes school life a negative or a danger to others THEN pull out the extremes like expulsion or long-term suspension, etc.

    Truancy only negatively affects the student's school life - it's not the worst thing possible. . . the response should be in the middle.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Then perhaps the kids should act like they are there for learning, rather than quasi-criminals and delinquents.
    No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

    Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Like so many things suspension should exist in a graduated spectrum of tools to use when a student does not function within the school rules. As a first time consequence of tardiness or even failure to appear - no (for most cases). But as a close to the final warning that the school is ready to cut bait with you - yes.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes they should be penalized.....

    A child's "job" is to get an education. In order to do that they need to be in school. I'm in favor of expelling ANY student who misses a certain number of class days without proper excuse (medical mostly). Obviously they aren't interested in being there, and just like if I failed to show up for my job I would be fired, they should be removed from the system.
    If you believe that a child's main job is to get an education, you have some problems.

    The problem with this country is that people seem to think kid's should only focus on their schoolwork. Neither of my teachers I had for the past two school years gave you detention or even yelled at you for not doing your classwork or homework. All of my high school teachers at my school had a number one rule. If they don't do their homework, just fail them. There was issues where teachers at the K-8 school I went to gave out detentions if you don't do your homework. Then, I see that the 8th grade gets recess detention when they don't even have recess.

    As for the truancy, no. Plus, be aware that these zero-tolerance policies could actually be the number 1 step to try to get out of school. All you have to do is bring a BB gun to your school, haze somebody with it, and then you're gone! What makes it even better? The school district don't send the students who brung weapons to school to alternative nor partnership school. This means that students are now permitted to stay out of school for bringing a BB gun to school.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

    Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.
    You sound like a kid that has not notion of how and why structure and rules are implemented.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

    Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.
    That tells me more about the sad mindset of adults who can't be on their own and have to be treated like children because they can't behave right rather than telling me some revealing 'truth' about students and how they're treated in school.

    Prisoner's should be ashamed that they're restricted more than students in elementary school are.

    I think this shameful fact about prisoner's and how they're just like little children just zipped right by you.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.
    Kids had better get use to it.

    At my job I am restricted in when I go to the bathroom. Only one person at a time can be on break (ie hallways). I also have a required quota to meet (ie community service hours).

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    If you believe that a child's main job is to get an education, you have some problems.
    It IS the kid's job to get an education. And the parents job to make sure they get it. Indeed I would argue that it is EVERYONE's job to be educated and continue their education all through life. One of my motto's is "No day is wasted if you learn something new".

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    The problem with this country is that people seem to think kid's should only focus on their schoolwork. Neither of my teachers I had for the past two school years gave you detention or even yelled at you for not doing your classwork or homework. All of my high school teachers at my school had a number one rule. If they don't do their homework, just fail them. There was issues where teachers at the K-8 school I went to gave out detentions if you don't do your homework. Then, I see that the 8th grade gets recess detention when they don't even have recess.
    Bold: Then those were crappy teachers. No problem is ever solved by ignoring it.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    As for the truancy, no. Plus, be aware that these zero-tolerance policies could actually be the number 1 step to try to get out of school. All you have to do is bring a BB gun to your school, haze somebody with it, and then you're gone! What makes it even better? The school district don't send the students who brung weapons to school to alternative nor partnership school. This means that students are now permitted to stay out of school for bringing a BB gun to school.
    If a student brings a gunt to school..be it a BB gun or not then they should be in jail ESPECIALLY if they use it. And yes they should be expelled. There are many more students that are worth the time and effort than that idiot that was so fracking stupid as to bring a gun to a school.

    And before you complain that "its just a BB GUN!" you should consider that a air pump BB gun can be just as deadly as a .22 rifle.
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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

    Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.
    Yes exactly, most schools public or private are run like a prison, which is particularly cruel given that the only thing one does to deserve this treatment is being born. If they stop making K-12 education a sheer utter waste of time, do away with actual criminal or otherwise harassing behavior, and stop running them like a prison, then we can talk about punishment for skipping.

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    Re: Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Kids had better get use to it.

    At my job I am restricted in when I go to the bathroom. Only one person at a time can be on break (ie hallways). I also have a required quota to meet (ie community service hours).

    Welcome to the real world Marcus903.
    Except that you can quit your job at any time and at least attempt to find another that doesn't have such policies, and I'd imagine something actually gets accomplished at your place of work. I doubt employers would put up with co workers being such little ****s to you either as is quite common in K-12. You're also getting paid for it. The "real world" I find is far more what we make of it and has little in common with K-12.

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