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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I mean is that I look at it the same way the libertarians constructed it. They started with their end goal in mind - in this case to come up with some axiom which justifies weakening government and not paying taxes. Then the go backwards from there trying to come up with something that will take them there.
    Even if this were the case (which you haven't proven), it has nothing to with the validity of the ethical principle of self-ownership.

    You might try to address the principles that are being discussed. Just sayin'

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Anyway, the right to life is based on self ownership.
    No it's not, it's based on society granting that right. Try again.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You seem to be saying that you base your refusal to accept an ethical principle simply because of how that principle might then guide your behavior.
    Ownership is now an "ethical principle"?!?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No it's not, it's based on society granting that right. Try again.
    I'm sorry about you aren't really worth much besides arguments like the following:

    "No, that is wrong"!

    Sorry, but I have better things to do than argue with an eight year old.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sorry about you aren't really worth much besides arguments like the following:

    "No, that is wrong"!

    Sorry, but I have better things to do than argue with an eight year old.
    Then you shouldn't adopt a philosophy that largely appeals to 8 year olds and no one else.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then you shouldn't adopt a philosophy that largely appeals to 8 year olds and no one else.


    As I said:

    "Sorry, but I have better things to do than argue with an eight year old."

    Keep proving that statement right.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    I'm married, so I can't own myself.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post


    As I said:

    "Sorry, but I have better things to do than argue with an eight year old."

    Keep proving that statement right.
    Then stop responding. Wow, that was easy.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    I don't like the terminology associated with this because it gives an incorrect notion. When one owns something then it is contrived as property. So inference suggests that if one owns oneself then that person becomes property.

    I would say that I have a right to liberty. I choose to use different terms to express the same sentiment. I should have the right to do anything I desire to my own self as long as I don't infringe on anyone else. If I decide to light up a crack pipe, then that should be fine. However, if I decide to kill someone in pursuit of that drug then that is of course wrong.

    The whole notion of self-ownership must change in vocabulary, but not in definition.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Ownership is now an "ethical principle"?!?
    Yes it is. It's a principle of ethical morality, which states that every person has a sovereign right to his own person and his own actions, unless he willingly concedes that right to others, and assuming he doesn't violate the right of others, in commission of his desired actions. It's a classical liberal idea, thus not common or popular in this country.
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