View Poll Results: Do you own yourself (self ownership)? Should or shouldnt you own yourself?

Voters
50. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes (should)

    37 74.00%
  • Yes (shouldn't)

    0 0%
  • No (should)

    4 8.00%
  • No (shouldn't)

    9 18.00%
Page 65 of 65 FirstFirst ... 1555636465
Results 641 to 645 of 645

Thread: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

  1. #641
    Sage
    Moot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:31 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27,460

    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    No. Contracts are for explicit consent.
    The Constitution is a contract between the people and the government. Consent of the governed is a social contract. By freely obeying the laws you are explicitly consenting to the social contract in which you live.

  2. #642
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:13 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,755

    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    That does not make it consent. It is force, plain and simple.
    It's not force if you can walk out of it at any time.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

  3. #643
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 12:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    18,536
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Well, gee, I certainly hope I own myself. If not I'd need the perp's name and address so I can take care of business.

    Obviously we own ourselves, seeing as we typically have control of own bodies, and decisions.

    But I suppose if we want to go the Matrix route we could always call up Morpheus for some red pills.

  4. #644
    Sage
    MoSurveyor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-13-17 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,985

    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    my point is we have proof that a good health care system can exist without socialization.

    maybe if you reread our exchange, you might grasp it a second time.
    You said it yourself - good is relative.

    I haven't seen what I call a 'good' health care system in the US, yet.
    Mt. Rushmore: Three surveyors and some other guy.
    Life goes on within you and without you. -Harrison
    Hear the echoes of the centuries, Power isn't all that money buys. -Peart
    After you learn quantum mechanics you're never really the same again. -Weinberg

  5. #645
    Sage
    RGacky3's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Last Seen
    08-25-15 @ 05:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,570

    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Tell that to society, which is defining laws that control all of that.
    I do.

    Two people fall into the same correlation/causation trap at the same time...
    Except we have both corrolation and we can explain the causation ...

    Forcing payment for an unfairly highly priced item in effect rewards whoever is pricing it that way. If a bunch of you pay for me to have a nicer house, it didn't make the house more affordable. It remains just as unaffordable and simply shifts the burden for its unaffordability elsewhere. So again, no, spreading insane costs around doesn't make them sane. The same cost is incurred, the same high priced item gets purchased, and so it goes.
    Exactly, but making that commodity a not for profit production, and making it a socailly controlled industry rather than private DOES lower cost.

    Of course you can. Having a good health care system does not require socialization of health care.
    Well, it certainly seams that way, the only country that has not socialized with good results is switzerland, who ban profits for private industry, i.e. they must all be non profits.

    How exactly does compelling participation not restrict personal freedom? And 'freedom' you might gain will be at the expense of others.
    Because

    A: I'm not talking about a mandate
    B: it expands personal freedom becasue you are not beholdant to private industry for your life
    C: it frees you from financial worries about healthcare
    D: Socialization gies you a say over the healthcare industry that you and everyone needs.

Page 65 of 65 FirstFirst ... 1555636465

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •