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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    There's no proof of that.
    Good is relative.

    But there is proof that poor people today have better health care then the wealthiest people had 30 short years ago.

    This proves to me that health care does not require socialization to see advancements.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Good is relative.

    But there is proof that poor people today have better health care then the wealthiest people had 30 short years ago.

    This proves to me that health care does not require socialization to see advancements.
    Like the government doesn't contribute to health care in America??? That's even funnier than the last statement!

    The Right is constantly bitching about the amount of money going to the poor each year, a good chunk of which is medical care.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Like the government doesn't contribute to health care in America??? That's even funnier than your last statement!
    I’ve been told over and over that the system we practice today is not socialism.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I’ve been told over and over that the system we practice today is not socialism.
    Neither is the one being decided by SCOTUS. What's your point?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Neither is the one being decided by SCOTUS. What's your point?
    my point is we have proof that a good health care system can exist without socialization.

    maybe if you reread our exchange, you might grasp it a second time.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    my point is we have proof that a good health care system can exist without socialization.

    maybe if you reread our exchange, you might grasp it a second time.
    Where does this proof exist?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You accept the consequences just by being here. You cannot opt out of those consequences. The only way not to suffer those consequences is to leave the society. The same thing was true, long ago, of slavery. Where slavery was legal, you could not opt out of it. Blacks were, almost without exception, slaves in those areas. The only way not to be a slave was to leave that particular society and head north.

    You're bound by the dictates of the society you live in whether you like it or not.
    That does not make it consent. It is force, plain and simple.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    There's no proof of that.
    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Ok, but you cannot argue that a private system is better than.
    No proof of that either.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats what contracts are for.
    No. Contracts are for explicit consent.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, that has little actual bearing on whether or not 1 person can assist another in suicide. It's about the role of the state in regard to a person's life. If I "own" my body, given the definition given here - I should by definition be able to entrust it to those I see fit after I am no longer able to hold my own faculties. With that said, a law banning assisted suicide WOULD infringe on my ability to do as a please with my body as long as I am not affecting anyone.
    But the people you want to entrust your rights to...also have rights and may not recognize your right to assisted suicide. A ban on assisted suicide would likely apply more to those who might assist in the suicide than it would to the person wanting to die. So perhaps the only way for suicide to truly be a self right is to exercise the right to die yourself....otherwise, I don't see how it can be a self right, especially if it depends on infringing on the self rights of others to do it.

    Since suicide is against the law of nature then it stands to reason that it's probably not a natural right and if it's not a natural right, then it's not a self right either. Natural rights are "self evident."

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