View Poll Results: Do you own yourself (self ownership)? Should or shouldnt you own yourself?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Once you remove it, its not part of you ... Its not "you," thats my point, if you sell your kidney but keep it part of you then that sale is meaningless.
    Your point was taken.... "Of course once you've consented to sell or donate a kidney and it is removed then you have "transfered" your right of "use" of your kidney (property) to someone else"...and it is no longer a part of you.
    Last edited by Moot; 06-26-12 at 05:33 AM.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Ok, I suppose so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Doesn't matter if you buy it. Society controls how you act in many ways. You cannot opt out of society's rules without leaving the society. So long as you are a part of the society, you are bound by those rules. Welcome to the social contract.
    As long as you buy the idea of implied consent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If "socializing" the cost helps lowers health insurance and medical costs for everyone, including you, then what is wrong with that?
    Just because it can arguably be said there is a benefit to all, does not make it right.

    There would also be a benefit to all to strictly control diets, exercise, what products are manufactured and what technology is used. None of that is right either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Wouldn't that require an amendment to the Constitution?

    As a side, "due process of law" originated from the Magna Carta....

    "No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land."

    Oliver Cromwell once said, "I care not for the Magna Farta." lol
    And who today could be considered free men?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Just because it can arguably be said there is a benefit to all, does not make it right.
    Ok, but you cannot argue that a private system is better than.

    There would also be a benefit to all to strictly control diets, exercise, what products are manufactured and what technology is used. None of that is right either.
    All of those things restrict personal freedom, socialized medicine does now, infact it expands it.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    As long as you buy the idea of implied consent.
    Thats what contracts are for.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    And who today could be considered free men?
    Anyone who is not a slave.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Rewrite that in english and I will consider responding to it.
    In other words, "I have no defense so I'll attack your character instead". Got it. Thanks for playing.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 06-26-12 at 09:42 AM.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause, which Amendment provides that: “[n]o state shall make or enforce any law which shall . . . deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

    The government doesn't recognize or protect the self owner's right to have a physician assisted suicide. But I would think the self owner would still have the right to commit suicide if he can do it without any external help. Like you said, "what are they gonna do, put a corpse in jail?"
    Yes, that has little actual bearing on whether or not 1 person can assist another in suicide. It's about the role of the state in regard to a person's life. If I "own" my body, given the definition given here - I should by definition be able to entrust it to those I see fit after I am no longer able to hold my own faculties. With that said, a law banning assisted suicide WOULD infringe on my ability to do as a please with my body as long as I am not affecting anyone.
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