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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what that little play might mean.

    You really don't like it when I work the libertarian maze backwards do you?
    I think he just likes imagining you as a child.

    Anymore asshats around here need a definition to a simple word you should have learned in grade school, a link to anything you should have learned in highschool civics class or any other bull****?

    It would be nice if someone parced the difference between "I" and "me", but no, all we get is potato. **** it. Have fun.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not very progressive of your at all. The modern man accepts his owner, while the old stodgy conservative fights to maintain his self-ownership to the bitter end.
    I'm a progressive in the sense that I want scientific and social improvements in the human condition and in humanity itself. I am also an 'old-school' progressive, if you'll pardon the term, in the sense that I am more than willing to break heads to get it. People who think they can own people are first in line to get their heads broken.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When you become of age and you realize we have laws and a system that people follow, you can then make your choice. And yes, we have forms to fill out indicating that you are part of this system. Drivers license forms. Voter forms. Military recruitment forms. Marriage license forms. All manner of legal papers which indicate the willingness of the citizen to be part of the system.

    You yourself have filled out many of them. All of your own free will as an American.
    fascinating. so if I hadn't, then I wouldn't have to pay taxes or obey laws?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I'm a progressive in the sense that I want scientific and social improvements in the human condition and in humanity itself. I am also an 'old-school' progressive, if you'll pardon the term, in the sense that I am more than willing to break heads to get it. People who think they can own people are first in line to get their heads broken.
    and with all your smarts you haven't yet figured out that the bolded and the underlined are the same people?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    In the greater scheme of things, I might think I own myself, but looking at nature and what she can bring forth, no...just a speck in the universe, thinking that I have control over something, anything.
    What was the question again?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and with all your smarts you haven't yet figured out that the bolded and the underlined are the same people?
    This is a little hypocritical, don't you think, considering the people who make these accusations against the progressive movement? They're not the least bit interested in controlling every aspect of American life at all, and they're certainly not manipulating and exploiting our fears to amass more wealth and power at our expense.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I know.



    I don't know what you mean by "work the libertarian maze backwards", so I can't say whether I like it or don't like it.

    EDIT - Ah, you mean discussing ethical principles and their implications. No, I actually love when you do that.
    What I mean is that I look at it the same way the libertarians constructed it. They started with their end goal in mind - in this case to come up with some axiom which justifies weakening government and not paying taxes. Then the go backwards from there trying to come up with something that will take them there.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    fascinating. so if I hadn't, then I wouldn't have to pay taxes or obey laws?
    Of course you would. But that is not the question I was answering.

    Again, any time you want to get out of the social contract, it is all up to you to do it.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you would. But that is not the question I was answering.

    Again, any time you want to get out of the social contract, it is all up to you to do it.
    Lol, the social contract. Talking about nonsense...

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol, the social contract. Talking about nonsense...
    Yeah, and Al Capone had a social contract with the people in his neighborhood. They fulfill their duty to pay their taxes to him, and he doesn't break their legs.

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