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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    When you say this is my car. This is my house. These are my shoes. In what significant way are you saying something different than when you say this is my body?
    You can sell your car, you can give away your shoes, you can rent out your house. You can't do any of those things with your body.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Everyone *should* own their own body. But as long as the government is allowed to dictate what you can and cannot put into your body (drugs), and in what ways you can and cannot offer your body for sex (prostitution), the government proports to own your body, not you.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Everyone *should* own their own body. But as long as the government is allowed to dictate what you can and cannot put into your body (drugs), and in what ways you can and cannot offer your body for sex (prostitution), the government proports to own your body, not you.
    The government is an extension of the people, it is SOCIETY which has decided that nobody can use drugs, nor can be engaged in prostitution, through their elected representatives and their votes, they have made those things illegal. As everyone is bound by the social contract as a consequence of being part of the society, everyone agrees inherently to follow the dictates of society. Stop being melodramatic.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The government is an extension of the people, it is SOCIETY which has decided that nobody can use drugs, nor can be engaged in prostitution, through their elected representatives and their votes, they have made those things illegal. As everyone is bound by the social contract as a consequence of being part of the society, everyone agrees inherently to follow the dictates of society. Stop being melodramatic.
    It sounds like you agree that other people (SOCIETY) own my body in those contexts, and not me?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The government is an extension of the people, it is SOCIETY which has decided that nobody can use drugs, nor can be engaged in prostitution, through their elected representatives and their votes, they have made those things illegal. As everyone is bound by the social contract as a consequence of being part of the society, everyone agrees inherently to follow the dictates of society. Stop being melodramatic.
    If you buy the whole 'Social Contract' premise.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    If you buy the whole 'Social Contract' premise.
    Thats true with any philosophy, islamic law, natural law/rights, christian dominionism, etc. You have to buy any of it.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    It sounds like you agree that other people (SOCIETY) own my body in those contexts, and not me?
    They have a significant amount of control over your actions, yes. They can decide that you can't steal, murder, rape, etc. They can decide what speed you're allowed to drive and what penalties are levied against you if you violate the law. Do they own you? No. Do they control certain aspects of your life? Damn straight. Welcome to the social contract.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    If you buy the whole 'Social Contract' premise.
    Doesn't matter if you buy it. Society controls how you act in many ways. You cannot opt out of society's rules without leaving the society. So long as you are a part of the society, you are bound by those rules. Welcome to the social contract.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Doesn't matter if you buy it. Society controls how you act in many ways. You cannot opt out of society's rules without leaving the society. So long as you are a part of the society, you are bound by those rules. Welcome to the social contract.
    Great job not understanding what the social contract is.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    When you say this is my car. This is my house. These are my shoes. In what significant way are you saying something different than when you say this is my body?
    So you're willing to defend a theory of Dualism? Some mythical homunculus sitting in the head controlling the body? Otherwise you're just proposing word games - and cheap word games at that.
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