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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Your so awsome! Exactly voluntary donations are the ultimate goal in libertarianism!!! Instead of forcing morals you actually, eventually see real good morals... You are so awsome to point this out!!!!
    But like I just posted, government will not work without taxation. Donations are not the same thing.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Why doesnt minarchy work? Id like to hear your opinion, id like to know your political leaning just for knowledge of different ideology objections to my own.
    I really don't fit into a convenient political box. If I did I would gladly show it.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And, no, I did not say you were against taxes. Typically Libertarians ARE against taxes so I assumed you were but I did not say that.

    You will note I then specifically asked if you had no problem with taxation.
    I am glad you at least understood this, its a misconception about libertarians, we just believe that government should be held within a certain scope.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I really don't fit into a convenient political box. If I did I would gladly show it.
    I appreciate your frankness, ive posted more between this that you have not commented on, that im sure you can easily agree with.

    319 is a good example
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Kill
    rape
    plunder
    OH MY!

    I don't remember any poster advocating that. YOu can take the demonic strawman back into the castle and have Dr. Frankenstein work on his some more.
    Government's do all of the above. There are plenty of mass-graves to testify to this fact.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You do realize that libertarians are socially liberal but, fiscally conservative? Giving the most freedom possible
    I have no doubt that there are some libertarians who are liberal on some social issues.

    For me, the defining issue of the 21st century is a clear one: what will be the role of the government in the USA? Most libertarians, especially right libertarians, have a view of the role of government that would effectively take us back to the era of the Gilded Age 1800's.

    I can think of far fewer ways to destroy American and its people that a course of that nature.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No one is going to voluntarily contribute to society. It might work that way for awhile but it's not a stable solution. That way leads to anarchy.
    What? It is commonplace for people to contribute. That is the essence of the division of labor and a civilized society. Unless one is a hermit living in a cave, each of us contributes something to those around us, and they in turn repay us by contributing to us.

    What libertarians oppose are those who refuse to contribute but simply take what they want and order others about. These people are the decivilizing force.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Its a false question, you ARE yourself, that question is circular, its like asking is water wet?

    The whole concept of ownership is depends on a seperation between the owner and the thing owned. The only way self-ownership works is if you seperate your ego or soul from your body, but given that for all intents and purposes we ARE our body, self-ownershiip is a confused and rediculous concept.

    You ARE yourself.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Government's do all of the above. There are plenty of mass-graves to testify to this fact.
    History is what history is. I am not defending it and nobody else here has defended those things either. Perfection is not a reasonable standard for man.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    You do realize that libertarians are socially liberal but, fiscally conservative? Giving the most freedom possible
    What libertarians want to do is just hand over the power from the public sector to the private economic power base, thus giving the majority of the people less say over what happens in their lives.

    Basically they want to replace publically accountable power with tyrannical private power.

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