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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I think you misunderstand. The ethical principle is that it is wrong to take or destroy what other people own.
    No one is going to voluntarily contribute to society. It might work that way for awhile but it's not a stable solution. That way leads to anarchy.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. I am simply judging right libertarians by their ends and their means.
    You do realize that libertarians are socially liberal but, fiscally conservative? Giving the most freedom possible
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You do realize that libertarians are socially liberal but, fiscally conservative? Giving the most freedom possibly
    That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of self-proclaimed Libertarians who oppose gay rights and abortion and drug legalization.

    Conversely, there are libertarians, such as myself, who are more economically liberal.

    And for being fiscally conservative, it does not follow that "more freedom" is achieved.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You do realize that libertarians are socially liberal but, fiscally conservative? Giving the most freedom possibly
    you are addressing the guy who considers libertarians to be the enemies of the United States....just an FYI.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You do realize that libertarians are socially liberal but, fiscally conservative? Giving the most freedom possible
    You guys always have these funny definitions of freedom. Anarchy has the most "freedom" as you mean freedom. Should we shoot for that?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of self-proclaimed Libertarians who oppose gay rights and abortion and drug legalization.

    Conversely, there are libertarians, such as myself, who are more economically liberal.
    Oh there ar more than enough against abortion, this is true. And i myself am against it only to the extent in which a baby grows. You or anyone should grasp the meaning of what i say, if not i will explain but, i hope you are perceptive enough to understand. Gay rights, any libertarian against this is NOT libertarian haha. Drugs same thing... See self ownershipn is a libertarian must, even if they dont understand the concept. If i dont own myself, which is true at the moment, due to the fact i cant smoke a doobie or snort a line without gov. intervention and multiple incidents. I think haymarket is on the same page as us, to an extent that he believes every person can control himself, but he disagrees when it comes to property rights, he thinks that society/governemnt can take what you own, so in saying this, if you own yourself then it is up for grabs in the society/government that he supports.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You guys always have these funny definitions of freedom. Anarchy has the most "freedom" as you mean freedom. Should we shoot for that?
    Nooooo anarchy does not have the most freedom... If you listen to what i wrote anout feudalism, you woldnt be saying that... Thats where the first contacts came from, between powerful land owners and the peasantry for protection and/or food distribution. Yes, im against big government, but im not against government!

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You guys always have these funny definitions of freedom. Anarchy has the most "freedom" as you mean freedom. Should we shoot for that?
    yes, anarchy is the condition with the most freedom.

    no, we shouldn't shoot for it.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Nooooo anarchy does not have the most freedom... If you listen to what i wrote anout feudalism, you woldnt be saying that... Thats where the first contacts came from, between powerful land owners and the peasantry for protection and/or food distribution. Yes, im against big government, but im not against government!

    umm, yes, anarchy does provide for the most freedom....but as a matter of practical application, it also allows for the most encroachments upon that freedom.


    to me, Anarchists are a lot like Communists/Socialists...incredibly ignorant of human nature

    Minachism, that's where it's at.. maximum protected freedom.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Nooooo anarchy does not have the most freedom... If you listen to what i wrote anout feudalism, you woldnt be saying that... Thats where the first contacts came from, between powerful land owners and the peasantry for protection and/or food distribution. Yes, im against big government, but im not against government!
    Then you're stuck with taxes in one form or another because no government can work without money.
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