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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Thanks for clarifying. I see now that you were merely speculating.
    It was a whole lot more than that. It is an educated guess based on years and years of debating with right libertarians and reading their axioms more times than I care to remember. Every single time they try to get you to accept one of them - there are dominos behind that one. And at the end of the row is their goal is severely weakening government and crusading against taxes.

    It is part and parcel of your M.O.

    It is something libertarians do.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup, enlightened self-interest. Not natural law.
    Natural law, or in this case, individual freedom, is self-evident to your "enlightened self-interest".

    Can you choose behaviors that allow you to act in a manner consistent with enlightened self-interest, if you do not already have the freedom to choose your behavior? No. So if you are reasonable, you'll accept it as being a necessary condition to enjoying your...enlightened self-interest.

    And sadly, enlightened self-interest is not always a good strategy, game theory demonstrates this efficiently.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    That doesnt answer the question.

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    Also why do you keep saying far right? If you are arguing against libertarianism, i would say you have your political spectrum all messed up.
    Perhaps you have not seen all the libertarians on this very site who identify themselves as such?

    And it does indeed answer the question.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To get the unsuspecting to go along with their plans and desires.
    Unsuspecting of what?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, that seems to work very very well.

    In a kindergarten environment.
    No, it works well in all environments. Keeping one's hands to one's self and respecting the property of others is what defines civilization. Using force to kill, rape, and plunder is barbarism, and coercive, monopoly government is a barbarous anachronism.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It was a whole lot more than that. It is an educated guess based on years and years of debating with right libertarians and reading their axioms more times than I care to remember. Every single time they try to get you to accept one of them - there are dominos behind that one. And at the end of the row is their goal is severely weakening government and crusading against taxes.

    It is part and parcel of your M.O.

    It is something libertarians do.
    You're confusing ends and means. The end is that all people are secure from physical aggression against themselves and their property. Among the means to accomplish this end is to place government under the same law that applies to each of us, namely the law that forbids harming another's person or property.

    One begins with the goal, which is peaceful coexistence. It then becomes apparent that much of what government does is in violation of the law forbidding harming another person or property, and that it therefore stands as an obstacle to peace and civilization.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Unsuspecting of what?
    Of libertarians.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You're confusing ends and means.
    No. I am simply judging right libertarians by their ends and their means.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    No, it works well in all environments. Keeping one's hands to one's self and respecting the property of others is what defines civilization. Using force to kill, rape, and plunder is barbarism, and coercive, monopoly government is a barbarous anachronism.
    Kill
    rape
    plunder
    OH MY!

    I don't remember any poster advocating that. YOu can take the demonic strawman back into the castle and have Dr. Frankenstein work on his some more.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of libertarians.
    Not sure if serious, or just being a troll.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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