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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If we didn't own our own bodies than killing us wouldn't be a problem.
    No, this is crap-- another false dichotomy. Murder is a problem because civilization requires order. If civilization has orderly laws governing homicide, then homicides that occur within the bounds of those laws-- to an almost outrageous extreme-- are simply not a problem. A lot of the problems our society has now concerning street violence are a consequence of attempting to over-regulate homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm asking for where in the hell you got that from considering you can sell your body as a commodity.
    No, I can not. I can, at most, sell parts of it. I could, theoretically, sell parts of it that I require for life-- but then removing those parts would constitute murder under the laws of most societies. I could, theoretically and if the law allowed, sell myself into chattel slavery but I would have the same moral obligation to regain my freedom as any other slave. I can not sign such a contract because I can not honorably keep it.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    You can own your body, but who owns your soul? Which is really your "self?"


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is simply a libertarian axiom that is crafted to ensnare the gullible. If you accept it then a whole bunch of dominos will be pushed over behind it. At the end will be the dominos which state that you must then accept weak or no government and there is no authority to tax people.

    This film has been seen many many times before and is predictable as the most cliched of Hollywood scripts.

    btw - the poll is highly flawed. Either you do or you don't. The idea of should or shouldn't is ludicrous.
    Yeah it's that same type of BS we hear about implied consent and some obligation to society,
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You can own your body, but who owns your soul? Which is really your "self?"
    Your soul is even less property than your body-- at least living bodies can be bought and sold, even if they cannot truly be owned.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Your soul is even less property than your body-- at least living bodies can be bought and sold, even if they cannot truly be owned.
    "au contraire mon ami!"



    People sell their souls all the time!
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Someone define what "own" means in this context.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Someone define what "own" means in this context.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You can own your body, but who owns your soul? Which is really your "self?"
    If souls exist, that would be you.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I said, in THIS context.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Ownership simply means that one has the exclusive right to use a particular thing. So yes, I would say that we each own our own physical bodies. We each have an exclusive claim on the use of our physical bodies. No other person has a claim on our bodies.
    Blinders!


    But, hell, I'm talking to two guys (you and Henrin) who think the fleas own the dog. LOL!
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