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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    This is why would-be tyrants denigrate and ridicule the very notion of liberty. Their goal of controlling you is thwarted to the extent that their claim of ownership is seen as illegitimate.

    They have no use for ethics, and mock all talk of principle as the domain of dilettantes. However, even a third grader can see them for what they are: thugs who rule by fear, compulsion, and brute force.
    I must congratulate you on getting the absolute maximum number of libertarian cliches into just these small number of lines. Well done!!!!

    The thing that is really impressive is how over 200 posts do not seem to matter and the same statements of belief are simply repeated again and again and again like the real world never raised it ugly head into Wonderland.

    Its really quite amazing!!!!
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Jefferson got the line he abused in the DOI from Mason. You like Haymarket need to learn your history.

    Second, pursuit of happiness has nothing to do with happiness as in joy but the legal constructs to protect liberty which did include property. Do not waste my time speaking of things you don't understand and then act like you somehow win based on ignorance. I consider it rude.
    So happiness had nothing to do with happiness.

    And you have the nerve to talk about what others do not know.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What did you say again??
    Its wonderful when you write the punch lines and it is yourself that is being punched.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I am not suggesting that people be reduced to property. I am suggesting that each person has an exclusive right to control his own person, from which it follows that no person should ever be the property of another.
    there is nothing evil in saying the people are property... it's an innocuous term , in and of itself... it's simply a term denoting possession.
    the term might have nasty historical connotations, but what makes those connotations nasty is that rightful ownership was not applied in those cases.

    people being property wasn't wrong.. people being property of the wrong owners was wrong.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I must congratulate you on getting the absolute maximum number of libertarian cliches into just these small number of lines. Well done!!!!

    The thing that is really impressive is how over 200 posts do not seem to matter and the same statements of belief are simply repeated again and again and again like the real world never raised it ugly head into Wonderland.

    Its really quite amazing!!!!

    for the love of God an all things holy, do something you have yet to do here... please provide an on topic argument.. a real argument.. something with some meat to it.

    you''re a smart fella, you can do it... I have faith.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you want to talk about ownership of bodies - or as you called them, "tangible aspects" - then there might be something to discuss. Otherwise it's crap.
    well, in practical terms, intangible aspects of people( thoughts, dreams, aspirations, ) cannot be owned by another, they can only be owned by the self.( until we find way to suck them out of people and take them over )
    physical ownership, can, however, impact those intangible aspects in great ways.( great meaning "big", not "good")

    i'm sorry... "it's crap" is not an argument...it's a judgement with no supporting argumentation.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, in practical terms, intangible aspects of people( thoughts, dreams, aspirations, ) cannot be owned by another, they can only be owned by the self.( until we find way to suck them out of people and take them over )
    physical ownership, can, however, impact those intangible aspects in great ways.( great meaning "big", not "good")

    i'm sorry... "it's crap" is not an argument...it's a judgement with no supporting argumentation.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    A majority of what we do in this life is for our bodies. We sleep, eat, pee/poop, hygiene, sex, play and then work for the rest. We are owned alright by the physical demands of survival.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    A majority of what we do in this life is for our bodies. We sleep, eat, pee/poop, hygiene, sex, play and then work for the rest. We are owned alright by the physical demands of survival.
    That has a certain poetry to it!
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That has a certain poetry to it!
    It's a little gnarly but true.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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