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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You wrote specifically:


    Nothing is absolute? Is an absolute statement. Which is contradictory.
    We do accept absolutes when we use logic, when we agree on the meaning of a word, etc. They are funny when we claim something in reality "is absolute", but they are serious when we are talking about meaning, math, etc.
    I note how definitions and meanings of words can change and new meaning can be added to existing words. Take the word "Gay" for instance.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Due to our little debate in another thread figured we could find out what most of you thought.
    I agree with Locke that every man has a property in his own person.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    ~and straw man pic deleted
    It was meant as a personal observation, not a straw man. It's amazing the assumptions people make.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm actually on layaway. In just four more payments I'll own myself free and clear, though.



    3/3! Good job!
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    in a matter of contract law, the understanding of what they agreed to is what makes it so., perception is reality
    we are dealing with contracts, not math theory.
    And who decided we were talking contract law?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    So the the master of a slave does not have ownership of that person but, they do own them. That is only in a society that accepts people as property though? So a nation that rejects people as property cannot own a person? Nor can a nation with strong property rights protect their citizenry from being enslaved if they are considered property?

    Classical liberal thought in my opinion goes hand in hand with contracts, property rights, and the free voluntary trade between peoples.
    One thing to be borne in mind is that classical liberal thought was developed in a time when the world was functionally infinite.

    There was a "commons" from whence we all were entitled to take what we needed to live.

    Now almost everything is "owned" by someone.

    I can't just find some place in the wilderness and build a home and do some farming.

    I have to pay.

    If I "own" my life, why must someone pay in order for me to sleep at night without breaking the law?

    We hear a lot from libertarians about not wanting to pay taxes to the government, but little about all the "life taxes" levied by owners of property.

    Why, when the "commons" became impractical due to population, did we settle on "rents" as the solution.

    That's what the feudal lords came up with.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    I dont really like the way people are so scared of the term property. Its not that scary lol
    You think this has to do with fear?!? LOL!
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its time for illumination and education. This should be a nice starting place for you

    Social contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thanks for the pointless link. Now explain a few things to me if you don't mind:

    1. Do you believe his claim that its based on nature?
    2. Do you believe that we are bound to each other through natural connections?
    3. Do you believe that the theory of natural law was actually based on forcing people to do the bidding of others?
    4. Tell me exactly where you get off rejecting natural law if you are a believer in this
    5. What makes you think exactly we are born into contracts with other citizens of a nation when nations are merely created
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    I do think I own myself, but I appear to have lost the receipt. If I ever return me, I realize I won't get a cash refund, but could I please get some store credit?

    THanks.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Rights are a man made construct and as such are not absolute. Why is that a contradiction?
    Rights are built on the backbone of the concept of freedom shaped around the realities of destruction and consent that include all possible actions one could take. The root of this is the being itself that because of its right to stay free from harm unless otherwise consented too the right to life is born.

    The idea you can reject the former to claim that you came up with it is absurdity.
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