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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is simply a libertarian axiom that is crafted to ensnare the gullible. If you accept it then a whole bunch of dominos will be pushed over behind it. At the end will be the dominos which state that you must then accept weak or no government and there is no authority to tax people.
    Yes, ethical judgement do have implications for how one behaves.

    Some choose to modify their behavior to conform to their ethics. Others choose to ignore or denigrate ethics so as to give themselves the freedom to act as they wish.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Ownership simply means that one has the exclusive right to use a particular thing. So yes, I would say that we each own our own physical bodies. We each have an exclusive claim on the use of our physical bodies. No other person has a claim on our bodies.
    Last edited by Centinel; 06-17-12 at 09:17 PM.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    If I own myself and charge myself money each time I have sex with myself does that make me a whore?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    At first I thought this was an offshoot of the Seinfield master of your domain question.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Ownership simply means that one has the exclusive right to use a particular things. So yes, I would say that we each own our own physical bodies. We each have an exclusive claim on the use of our physical bodies. No other person has a claim on our bodies.
    I'd have to question that a bit. For starters, have a child.

    You can support that child, or the State will force you to support that child. That means the labor of your body and the product of that labor are no longer exclusively yours.

    For another, get divorced. There's this thing called Alimony... I was lucky enough to avoid it, but if you get saddled with it they take a chunk of your pay for potentially many years and give it to your former spouse.

    Then there's debt. You can get your salary garnished for unpaid debt. Again, the product of your bodily labor being granted to another, will you or won't you.

    If you're an employee you're like a tenant farmer. You get a certain fixed amount of the product of your labor, your employer keeps the rest. Again, you don't own the product of your body.

    Try to sell a kidney and see how that works out.

    I think the whole self-ownership thing is typically put into overly simplistic terms. Also, didn't we do this thread just last month??

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    If I own myself and charge myself money each time I have sex with myself does that make me a whore?


    Um..... yes. Go turn yourself in to the local authorities at once.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    You can lead a whore to water but you can't make her think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    If I own myself and charge myself money each time I have sex with myself does that make me a whore?

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'd have to question that a bit. For starters, have a child.

    You can support that child, or the State will force you to support that child. That means the labor of your body and the product of that labor are no longer exclusively yours.

    For another, get divorced. There's this thing called Alimony... I was lucky enough to avoid it, but if you get saddled with it they take a chunk of your pay for potentially many years and give it to your former spouse.

    Then there's debt. You can get your salary garnished for unpaid debt. Again, the product of your bodily labor being granted to another, will you or won't you.

    If you're an employee you're like a tenant farmer. You get a certain fixed amount of the product of your labor, your employer keeps the rest. Again, you don't own the product of your body.

    Try to sell a kidney and see how that works out.

    I think the whole self-ownership thing is typically put into overly simplistic terms. Also, didn't we do this thread just last month??
    Yes, there are other ethical rules, and they all interact. Self-ownership does not exist in a vacuum. If one incurs a debt, then one is obliged to pay that debt. If one makes a commitment, one is obliged to fulfill that commitment. There are many rules that govern one's behavior; the idea of self-ownership is only one of several.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Of course a man does not "own" himself...or is it hisself...
    He cannot do this, if he wishes to survive...
    He could try to be a Philip Nolan...anti-social to an extreme.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is simply a libertarian axiom that is crafted to ensnare the gullible. If you accept it then a whole bunch of dominos will be pushed over behind it. At the end will be the dominos which state that you must then accept weak or no government and there is no authority to tax people.

    This film has been seen many many times before and is predictable as the most cliched of Hollywood scripts.

    btw - the poll is highly flawed. Either you do or you don't. The idea of should or shouldn't is ludicrous.
    I hardly think so. Rather I think one of the dominoes are flawed.

    Yes we should own ourself, but that doesn't mean all of the products of your labour is yours. For instance if you own a company, there is no guarantee that everything the company earns is yours.

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