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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, you did not. You went on about some society that nobody mentioned.

    Again, I said, "A society that acknowledges that people cannot be owned offers a fine foundation for stability." Address that.
    I don’t think this concept is too far from the ideal of self-ownership either. I think that in this case you can certainly also make the claim that government doesn’t own you since you cannot be owned.

    If there’s a complication, it would come along the lines of rights; particularly contract. For the idealism of contract rights is that you are owner of yourself and as such have right to enter yourself into agreement. A type of function “non-self-ownership” would be age of consent laws. Below age of consent, functionally the minor doesn’t own themselves because they cannot on their own willingly enter themselves into contract.

    In the end, I think the idea of innate and inalienable self-ownership makes the most sense from a functional and philosophical standpoint.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, you did not. You went on about some society that nobody mentioned.

    Again, I said, "A society that acknowledges that people cannot be owned offers a fine foundation for stability." Address that.
    again, I find your opinion, false.

    You provided nothing to validate your opinion, and seem offended that I reject it outright.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Ok. How isn't it? Are you not saying "just because there isn't evidence now, doesn't mean there won't be in the future?"
    I'm saying, "existence does not depend on evidence."

    If that's the case then everything could exist.
    Yes, everything COULD exist. However, that's not what you said, you said:

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    So everything exists?
    There is no "could" in that. And the answer to that is "no" or more appropriately, "not necessarily."

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    again, I find your opinion, false.

    You provided nothing to validate your opinion, and seem offended that I reject it outright.
    I find your opinion false too and you have provided nothing to validate yours as is often the case with libertarian fantasies, but that's beside that point.

    And no, I'm not offended by your rejection of my opinion if only because you never actually rejected my opinion since you didn't address it. I am, however, amused that you think you actually addressed my opinion in your initial response to me when you did nothing of the sort.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Yeah, and Al Capone had a social contract with the people in his neighborhood. They fulfill their duty to pay their taxes to him, and he doesn't break their legs.
    This should help educate you on the concept:

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Ok. How isn't it? Are you not saying "just because there isn't evidence now, doesn't mean there won't be in the future?" If that's the case then everything could exist.
    I think the more accurate way of stating the intended purpose of the comment is simply "everything which exists, exists".
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol, the social contract. Talking about nonsense...
    Its time for illumination and education. This should be a nice starting place for you

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Even if this were the case (which you haven't proven), it has nothing to with the validity of the ethical principle of self-ownership.

    You might try to address the principles that are being discussed. Just sayin'
    Already been discussed. Property is owned. Persons are not owned because they are not property. Thus your entire premise if false on its face.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its time for illumination and education. This should be a nice starting place for you

    Social contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm saying, "existence does not depend on evidence."
    Yes it does. For instance, with your atom example: we knew something had to make up everything. There was evidence that something was there - that something, as it turned out, were atoms.

    Yes, everything COULD exist.
    No it couldn't. If everything existed, then someone's "gods" would conflict. You can't have a million of "one true 'god'."
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