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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That would be science, not "belief"/"faith". When it comes to facts, science will always trump faith.
    You must have some basis for your belief. There must be something it is based on.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    I think it is rather self-evident than the individual "owns" themselves. "Ownership" is also inherent and cannot be transferred, there is no way to divorce your consciousness from your body (well barring death I suppose). As such, your body is yours and yours alone.

    BTW, anyone seen a show called Dollhouse? I thought that it developed into a pretty decent show, but had a scary premise. And that premise was a technology which would allow an individual to divorce their consciousness from their body and thus sell or rent out their body.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    No, it isn't. That is pure unadulterated nonsense. The right to life is based on our ability to kill and our willingness to do so in self-defense, such that any society that does not recognize the right to life is inherently unstable.
    any society that doesn't recognize self ownership is inherently unstable.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    You must have some basis for your belief. There must be something it is based on.
    It sure doesn't have to be based on fact, though. Don't we have plenty of evidence in hand that it's usually NOT based on fact?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    There's no proof it doesn't exist therefore why not assume it does, right?
    If there's no proof that X does not exist, then that alone isn't reason to just assume X does exist. However, it is also not a basis on which to say "X does not exist" as a factual statement. You and others continuously try to defend the position that "lack of evidence = does not exist." It's an indefensible position because existence does not depend on evidence. Perception depends on evidence.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It sure doesn't have to be based on fact, though. Don't we have plenty of evidence in hand that it's usually NOT based on fact?
    So you can concoct any story you want without any factual basis? Regarding your question, such as?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    any society that doesn't recognize self ownership is inherently unstable.
    False. A society that acknowledges that people cannot be owned offers a fine foundation for stability.

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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If there's no proof that X does not exist, then that alone isn't reason to just assume X does exist. However, it is also not a basis on which to say "X does not exist" as a factual statement. You and others continuously try to defend the position that "lack of evidence = does not exist." It's an indefensible position because existence does not depend on evidence. Perception depends on evidence.
    Existence doesn't depend on evidence? So everything exists?
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it is rather self-evident than the individual "owns" themselves. "Ownership" is also inherent and cannot be transferred, there is no way to divorce your consciousness from your body (well barring death I suppose). As such, your body is yours and yours alone.

    BTW, anyone seen a show called Dollhouse? I thought that it developed into a pretty decent show, but had a scary premise. And that premise was a technology which would allow an individual to divorce their consciousness from their body and thus sell or rent out their body.
    There's a similar idea in the movie Gamer - except it didn't exactly "divorce" someone from their body. They knew what was happening even though someone else was controlling them through an interface.

    Gamer (2009) - IMDb

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    I'll have to keep my eye out for Dollhouse.
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    Re: Do you own yourself (self ownership)?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    False. A society that acknowledges that people cannot be owned offers a fine foundation for stability.
    false. a society that feels that self ownership is trumped by the needs of the community is a horrible foundation based on the rule of which men are in charge at the time.

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