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No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

No one besides yourself is responsible for what you put in your mouth?


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So far it looks like 8 voters who perhaps rode the short bus as children and are incapable of being responsible for what goes into their mouth.

LOL - I didn't get this until I saw the poll.
 
I can't agree that the consumer is the only person responsible.


A person cannot abdicate their responsibility for their own action or inaction regarding their choices then blame others if they become obese or suffer ill health.
 
This is done daily, and the tobbaco industry make an industry off doing it. a



Anybody that hasn't known for 20 years now what the effects of smoking are has been living in a cave.
 
So if you eat salmonella tainted meat you believe it's your sole responsibility?

No, that would fall under not honestly disclosing the contents/ingredients of the product you are selling. Unless you told someone that it was tainted with salmonella and they ate it anyway. And then it would be their sole responsibility.
 
I disagree. Unless you don't know what in the product this is false. If I tell you the cyanide would make you popular and you knew it would kill you and you took it them you are 100% guilty and I am 100% innocent. It doesn't matter what I tell you if you know the truth.

We have history. The tobacco industy did exactly what I suggested. Not only that, who was notified of pink slim? Regardless of whether you htink it is bad or not, people were not told it was in their food. As much as I have a responsibility for my decisions, a company or coproation has a responsibility to be a good and responsible business person. Responsibility does not swing one way.
 
We have history. The tobacco industy did exactly what I suggested. Not only that, who was notified of pink slim? Regardless of whether you htink it is bad or not, people were not told it was in their food. As much as I have a responsibility for my decisions, a company or coproation has a responsibility to be a good and responsible business person. Responsibility does not swing one way.

We're not living in the age of company secrecy - per the pink slime. . .I guess it grosses some people out. But bite into a nugget and tell me that's not super-processed :shrug: . . which I love, by the way - probably one of my favorite things; mcnuggets with a sinful bathing of honey.
 
We're not living in the age of company secrecy - per the pink slime. . .I guess it grosses some people out. But bite into a nugget and tell me that's not super-processed :shrug: . . which I love, by the way - probably one of my favorite things; mcnuggets with a sinful bathing of honey.

We did not know it was there. That is secrecy. And there is even deception on labels. Try and figure out what natural actually means. So, I contend things have not changed that much. I also contend, that even you want to harm yourself, that doesn't remove my responsibility. Didn't dr. Jack go to jail? While I concede there are gray areas, in this country, we are far to willing IMHO to let business ignore their responibsility to be decent citizens of the country, removing all responsibility from.
 
In assessing who is responsible one also has to look at where people may be buying their food. To expect premium or in some cases adequate quality food from "gray markets" is a pipe dream. "Food is one place where it is particularly painful to have to skimp. It's one thing to suffer nicks and cuts from a shoddy shaving razor and quite another to end up obese, malnourished or sick after prolonged dependence on poor quality food. "

Consumers whose circumstances require them to eat for less save money when choosing dollar store items over premium brands, but they're often eating the same food in name only. While the second ingredient in Dinty Moore stew (after water) is "beef," the primary meat used in the Hartford House brand is "diced beef patty," a substance parenthetically described as a mixture of beef, water, soy protein concentrate, salt and caramel color. Likewise the festive-sounding Parade macaroni and cheese in its Kraft-lookalike blue packaging lists flour and salt in its cheese sauce before throwing back the curtain on milk products like whey.

The most glaring example of adulterated merchandise comes in the form of a plastic bear. "Little Honey Bear Blend" is a product marketed by the ominously named Global Brands consisting of corn syrup flavored with the "finest imported pure honey" and available for only one dollar, "considerably less than national brands." Having tasted real honey, I can state with confidence that Little Honey Bear Blend tastes exactly like corn syrup tinged with a hint of honey.

A great deal of dollar store foods promise high flavor but deliver few nutrients and even lack key ingredients. Distributed foods and beverages hailing from unregulated countries abound in dollar stores."
Dollar Stores: The Last, and Not So Healthy Eating Choice, Before the Food Lines | Food | AlterNet
 
It is sadly very true that to eat healthy is expensive.
 
It is sadly very true that to eat healthy is expensive.

That is not the reason why I posted that. People should conduct there due diligence prior to buying to food. Some foods are outdated. some are packaged according to a foreign country's standards that would fall short in the US.
 
We did not know it was there. That is secrecy. And there is even deception on labels. Try and figure out what natural actually means. So, I contend things have not changed that much. I also contend, that even you want to harm yourself, that doesn't remove my responsibility. Didn't dr. Jack go to jail? While I concede there are gray areas, in this country, we are far to willing IMHO to let business ignore their responibsility to be decent citizens of the country, removing all responsibility from.

We ignore?

We actually have extremely stringent guidelines and the FDA, etc, are always on the prowell . . . we are the first strong hand when it comes to product safety worldwide. Does it mean we will always know every little thing - no. But we're pretty damned well informed if we care to know.
 
Well, this isn't limited to what we eat, but no action takes place in a vacuum. We are all affected by billions of influences, most of them subconscious. On the surface, we are of course responsible for our own actions, but to suggest that we are not influenced by things (such as advertising) is ludicrous. Especially when one considers how much money is spent on advertising. Do you really think anyone would be doing that if it didn't work?
 
We did not know it was there. That is secrecy. And there is even deception on labels. Try and figure out what natural actually means. So, I contend things have not changed that much. I also contend, that even you want to harm yourself, that doesn't remove my responsibility. Didn't dr. Jack go to jail? While I concede there are gray areas, in this country, we are far to willing IMHO to let business ignore their responibsility to be decent citizens of the country, removing all responsibility from.

If you don't trust the idea of maybe not knowing the process that went into making something then just don't eat it :shrug:
 
Dioxins. Lead. Mercury. Arsenic. VOCs. That is stuff that does NOT belong in my food. Should I be required to bring a chemical test kit with me every time I eat out or go grocery shopping? Hell no. There's a reason we need regulations--it's so that what we put in our bodies won't literally kill us. Oh, and Big Agriculture is fighting those regulations tooth and nail.
 
That is not the reason why I posted that. People should conduct there due diligence prior to buying to food. Some foods are outdated. some are packaged according to a foreign country's standards that would fall short in the US.

Sorry I misread you, but both are true. ANd a bit much to expect of everyone.
 
If you don't trust the idea of maybe not knowing the process that went into making something then just don't eat it :shrug:

I'd have to grow my own. No, the point is we do not know. There is deception. And when we see deregulation, we see the consequences pop up now and again. The point is one of responsibility. I see personal responsibility. But I also see corporate responsibility. I do not understand why you or anyone wants to excuse them of responsibility for their actions.
 
I'd have to grow my own. No, the point is we do not know. There is deception. And when we see deregulation, we see the consequences pop up now and again. The point is one of responsibility. I see personal responsibility. But I also see corporate responsibility. I do not understand why you or anyone wants to excuse them of responsibility for their actions.

It's profit over safety...safety of the food and safety of the workers who process the food....

Meatpacking pace under fire

Ugh, imagine someone's blood getting on the meat that ends up on your dinner table and all because Tyson won't slow down the processing line as recommended by US regulators. With congress under funding the FDA and other regulatory agencies this kind of thing is going on daily. We have no idea what we're eating. We don't know whether the corn we're eating is the same corn that was genetically modified to make pigs fatter or if it's even safe to eat...but we do know that 80% of the corn we eat is now GM.....

Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals

Of course, people getting sick from food creates jobs in the medical industry, so it's all good. But then who is regulating the medical industry now that their under funded too. Oh well, it's creating jobs in the mortuary industry, so its all good.
 
A person cannot abdicate their responsibility for their own action or inaction regarding their choices then blame others if they become obese or suffer ill health.

I agree the consumer shares some responsibility, but responsibility I think should also be placed on the food corporations.

When corporations deliberately add chemicals to their foods like MSG, knowing it'll addict people, they do share some responsibility. Even if it's only 5% responsibility they still must have it. I feel people need to educate themselves on just how exactly the food industry manipulates people. They need to know exactly what they're eating, how the industry creates and markets the food, etc.

There are also many additives besides MSG that are bad for you. Caffiene, Aspartame, Artificial colorings, preservatives, etc. Also, High Fructose Corn Syrup. Most food corporations use this, and this ingredient actually damages the brain, making people dumber. I want to help educate people on the bad checials/additives people are eating, the obesity epidemic, on how exactly food corporations play a role. It's unfair and wrong to look at the whole problem and say that it's only the fault of the consumer, because they made the choice to eat the numerous deathly offered. Why do you think we're in the mess we're in now? We didn't have an obesity epidemic before the refining of flour.

And no, just because there are currently only 12 enlightened members voting that there's more to the issue than just the consumer's choice, does not mean they were on the "short bus." I daresay the majority are ignorant and uncaring about the issue and what exactly is at play here.

Food corporations don't give a damn about food safety over the long run. All they care about is the allmighty dollar, health be damned. They only care to reach minimum safety requirements.
 
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How much choice do you have when processed food is more affordable, but loaded with hidden sugar? They took out the fat, but replaced it with sugar to add taste.

So it doesnt tell you there is sugar in it? And if its so well hidden how do you know? They probably know that no one will buy the food if they dont add something unhealthy to make TASTE GOOD. Why dont you start a business and be the first person, well probably not the first, to make cheap yet healthy food? Now I disagree with lying about what is inside, thats a no no. Now on the other hand, if it says nothing on the product, I probably wouldnt buy it, it would be my responsibility then to find out what is in that product.
 
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How much choice do you have when processed food is more affordable, but loaded with hidden sugar?
The responsibility is still entirely up to the consumer. If they don't even bother to find out what's in the food they're eating, they're responsible for their own ignorance.
 
It's profit over safety...safety of the food and safety of the workers who process the food....

Meatpacking pace under fire

Ugh, imagine someone's blood getting on the meat that ends up on your dinner table and all because Tyson won't slow down the processing line as recommended by US regulators. With congress under funding the FDA and other regulatory agencies this kind of thing is going on daily. We have no idea what we're eating. We don't know whether the corn we're eating is the same corn that was genetically modified to make pigs fatter or if it's even safe to eat...but we do know that 80% of the corn we eat is now GM.....

Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals


Of course, people getting sick from food creates jobs in the medical industry, so it's all good. But then who is regulating the medical industry now that their under funded too. Oh well, it's creating jobs in the mortuary industry, so its all good.

Do you understand what life was like before all these horrible corporations came about? Do any of you study what life was like before capitalism? Before industry? All the people starving in the world and you people attack products being thrown out as fast as possible. It just is mind boggling... I'm hearing about all this bad bad food, yet i look around and only see a few cases. Now more than ever i see people exercising and watching what they eat. Why cant all people strive to be like this, a responsible adult. Then the corporations/business cant sell the product and have to change to meet the consumers demand.
 
The human body and brain were adapted to help monkey-men hunt and gather food in the plains of Africa. Our appreciation for sweet and salty foods were necessary back then, but not so much now that we've invented agribusinesses. Resisting our natural gravitation towards sweets and salts takes up mental energy, since you have to mentally push yourself to eat leafy greens instead of cheeseburgers. This is obviously much harder when society paves the road to cheeseburgers and soda into a four lane highway and leaves the road to leafy greens a small dirt path.

Yeah the modern market of food has only been here for the past century or two so you do not have to go quite back that far and we probably have a more healthier diet than back then anyway.



People are going to bitch, but if the government is eventually going to have to foot part of the bill for their medical expenses, they've definitely got an interest in moderating excesses. "A pinch of prevention is worth a pound of cure," or however that adage goes. I say the government should use a light touch, but accept that people profiting from the status quo are going to get pissed off no matter what. We should definitely tweak farm subsidies so that taxpayers aren't subsidizing crap like high fructose corn oil. Public education campaigns are a no brainer. I also wonder about giving tax breaks to people that get a clean bill of health from their doctors.



Fundamental Attribution Error.

Well, well at least it took to post #40 before that argument was given in bold. From my point of view it is a argument AGAINST having the government fund the health care system in that way. And with respect with the adage it is more like a ton of prevention to prohibit a pound of cure.

With respect to farm subsidies we should not have them and yes we should not have the government make the matters worse or sustain the unhealthy options. I do not trust the government to avoid being influenced by "special interest" so any pro-healthy food propaganda would need to be done by private campaigns. The last statement is probably open to massive fraud and for those who are unhealthy due to other reasons would not get the healthy food tax credit.
 
The responsibility is still entirely up to the consumer. If they don't even bother to find out what's in the food they're eating, they're responsible for their own ignorance.

Once again, removing responsibility from some for their actions. This seems odd for anyone who believes in all being held responsibile for their actions.
 
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