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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have history. The tobacco industy did exactly what I suggested. Not only that, who was notified of pink slim? Regardless of whether you htink it is bad or not, people were not told it was in their food. As much as I have a responsibility for my decisions, a company or coproation has a responsibility to be a good and responsible business person. Responsibility does not swing one way.
    I am arguing this debate over what is happening now, not in the past. Cigarettes have and had labels like this:

    Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (19661970)
    Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (19701985)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. (1985)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. (1985)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. (1985)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide. (1985)


    Tobacco packaging warning messages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Doesn't seem like that big of a secret and since nobody has anything else to add it seems like the argument is over and people are solely responsible for what they ingest.
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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am arguing this debate over what is happening now, not in the past. Cigarettes have and had labels like this:

    Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966–1970)
    Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (1970–1985)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. (1985–)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. (1985–)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. (1985–)
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide. (1985–)


    Tobacco packaging warning messages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Doesn't seem like that big of a secret and since nobody has anything else to add it seems like the argument is over and people are solely responsible for what they ingest.
    They do now. But it took a long time to get that. And there was a lot of deception along the way. The next thing we find is likely to take just as long. The company largely isn't held accountable for the deception, especially not in a timely manner.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They do now. But it took a long time to get that. And there was a lot of deception along the way. The next thing we find is likely to take just as long. The company largely isn't held accountable for the deception, especially not in a timely manner.
    From Pope Urban VII to Bloomberg, Four Centuries of Smoking Bans

    This has been going on for a long time hah, people knew it was bad even before it was actally known for sure to be bad.

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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    From Pope Urban VII to Bloomberg, Four Centuries of Smoking Bans

    This has been going on for a long time hah, people knew it was bad even before it was actally known for sure to be bad.
    Did they? We had doctors on TV saying it was healthy if you recall.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Thats my point, subsidized corn, and high tariffs on foreign sugar, causing high prices on sugar. Now we use more HFCS due to its cheapness. Government unintentionally caused this, now regulation is the only way to fix it.
    There's a little more to that complex issue. The Haber process (look him up - he was a Nazi WMD lead scientist) allowed us to overproduce. While previously government was doing battle with the Sugar Trust (think OPEC only far more predatory). We were, at one point, stuck with a glut of corn, a nation of farmers watching prices spiral down, a world crying out for food aid, and a distrust of the sugar lobby. Corn syrup becomes a natural answer.

    Now, it's in 85% of the products offered at the grocery store (or some corn product).

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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Did they? We had doctors on TV saying it was healthy if you recall.
    You sure? They specificly said they were healthy?

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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Thats my point, subsidized corn, and high tariffs on foreign sugar, causing high prices on sugar. Now we use more HFCS due to its cheapness. Government unintentionally caused this, now regulation is the only way to fix it.
    Yeah. The whole agriculture subsidy system needs a serious review.

    With regards to HFCS, end all its subsidies. If we need to do more, pass a sin tax on sugar and HFCS. This passes the cost back onto those who are helping contribute to the rise in health care costs.

    You have a deadly poison in my apple juice, my kids drink that!!! Dont think i can win that lawsuit?
    Don't forget just how easily big corporations can line up attorneys to fight "frivolous lawsuits." I actually personally know of a couple of instances where someone was wrongfully hurt by the actions of a corporation, but because of the way our civil justice system is set up, they knew they didn't have a chance in court, even though the facts were on their side.

    By contrast, according to the current system, a the concentration of lead/mercury/etc. in a company's product over the legal limit equals an automatic penalty. That prevents their being able to summon that army of attorneys to wiggle their way out of justice.

    Why get hungover? Excessive drinking of course haha. There are multiple types of water and different methods of filtration. As i said you wouldnt want to drink the water where im from. Though i dont think ill die, maybe it is unhealthy eh oh well.
    OK I'll stop teasing you about your drinking habits; that's your choice. And if you're really that concerned about contaminants in your drinking water, you can buy water test kits for under $50. That plus the cost of a water filter would eventually pay for themselves, if you switched from bottled water to filtered water.

    You want more government regulation because a government facility is not providing a quality service. Thats my point.
    Apples and oranges. Public systems are not inherently worse--or better--than private systems. Different systems are different. And regulations are a necessary evil--yes they should always be subject to review, but that's how our system works anyway. Besides, at the end of the day, if we don't like where those regulations are going, the ultimate boss of the regulation writers is...us. Doesn't work that way with corporations, who can get away with passing on problems as externalities.
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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You sure? They specificly said they were healthy?
    Yeah, 50s and early 60s. Even suggested them for pregnant women to "calm their nerves".

    Btw, apple seeds naturally have arsenic in them. Cyanide in peach pits (some in apple seeds too).
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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, 50s and early 60s. Even suggested them for pregnant women to "calm their nerves".

    Btw, apple seeds naturally have arsenic in them. Cyanide in peach pits (some in apple seeds too).
    yeah - I don't trust drs when they say 'yeah, sure - of course its safe'

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    Re: No One is responsible for what you put in Your Mouth

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You sure? They specificly said they were healthy?
    Yep. I have some of the print ads in my office. That was the claim.

    Later, they sent letter out to people (my sister saved one) claiming the government was wrong to put warning on packs. They used George Burns in the letter my mother got saying he was proof that smoking didn't kill. My sister saved it because my mother died at 50. It would be an understatement to say she's a bit bitter.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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