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Most anti-libertarian Presidents

Most anti-libertarian President?

  • Abraham Lincoln

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Woodrow Wilson

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Franklin Roosevelt

    Votes: 14 35.9%

  • Theodore Roosevelt

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Lyndon Johnson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • George W. Bush

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Richard Nixon

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Herbert Hoover

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • Total voters
    39
Kinda shocked wilson only had one vote(before I voted) it's hard to find a more deleterious and malignant cancer than Wilson.
 
Woodrow Wilson would beat out FDR form a philosophical point of view. Wilson was a full blown unvarnished "screw the public" fascist. FDR was a "democratic-representive" varnished fascist. FDR went futher in part due to what Wilson began.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Woodrow Wilson would beat out FDR form a philosophical point of view. Wilson was a full blown unvarnished "screw the public" fascist. FDR was a "democratic-representive" varnished fascist. FDR went futher in part due to what Wilson began.
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You can take everything FDR did a and multiply it several times over and it still would not amount to the incredible damage done to the US for just the fed alone.
 
LibertyBurns said:
I love individuals such as yourself! They try to grasp reality, yet somehow fail to grasp that which is just in front of them! Okay, i gather your not a lazy-fairy tale supporter. What economic policy do you support? Please answer the question and dont spit out ignorant philosophies... The last part of your little rant holds no validility... Next time you have something worth reading please feel free to respond, until then please refrain from wasting other peoples times... Though when i say this, you have the freedom of speech, the only thing im against in this aspect is your ignorance of the subjects of which you speak.
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See how libertarians become authoritarian when someone is not convinced of their sincerity. You say "please" this and "please" that, but what I really hear is "I demand you give me an answer that pleases me because it's all about me." People are not ignorant of how a Libertarian will respond when his selfish fantasy is threatened.
 
PrometheusBound said:
See how libertarians become authoritarian when someone is not convinced of their sincerity. You say "please" this and "please" that, but what I really hear is "I demand you give me an answer that pleases me because it's all about me." People are not ignorant of how a Libertarian will respond when his selfish fantasy is threatened.
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nowhere does he claim to have any authority over you, so your reply was nonsensical, which seems to be a common theme for you
 
Henrin said:
That is just stupid. There is a difference between owning yourself and someone owning you.
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What is stupid is the inability of you to to see that somebody else owning you or you 'owning yourself' both treats you as property that can be owned.

Of course, I realize that you really do not believe that nonsense and its all just the typical right libertarian nonsense to justify not paying taxes or obeying the laws.
 
Lokiate said:
Ideological extremists, huh? I suppose Locke was pretty radical for his time. Even Jefferson admitted that the ownership of slaves was morally reprehensible. Plus, I didn't see you point anything out, you just yelled at some guy, and claimed victory. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo.
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Jefferson? The guy who owned slaves and cried himself to sleep over it? The one who said that all men were created equal but kept hundreds as property without any rights - equal or otherwise?

And getting government out of our society is indeed an extremist agenda. And I am please to expose it at every opportunity.
 
Let's see...War on Terror...War on Drugs....Neo-Con interventionism... warrant less wiretaps...pumping the Fed....ignoring Congress...bailouts...GITMO..killing American citizens with no due process....

Easy...George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama are a dead heat tie.
 
haymarket said:
Jefferson? The guy who owned slaves and cried himself to sleep over it? The one who said that all men were created equal but kept hundreds as property without any rights - equal or otherwise?
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Yes, which is why I pointed him out several times throughout this thread.

And getting government out of our society is indeed an extremist agenda. And I am please to expose it at every opportunity.
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Which makes you an idiot, since nowhere have I ever stated that we need to get rid government.
 
Lokiate said:
Yes, which is why I pointed him out several times throughout this thread.


Which makes you an idiot, since nowhere have I ever stated that we need to get rid government.
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Do you pretend that you are the sole libertarian putting forth views in this world? Do you believe that it is only your views and your beliefs and your agenda that is being considered when one talks about libertarians?
 
haymarket said:
And getting government out of our society is indeed an extremist agenda. And I am please to expose it at every opportunity.
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straw man of massive proportions alert
 
haymarket said:
Do you pretend that you are the sole libertarian putting forth views in this world? Do you believe that it is only your views and your beliefs and your agenda that is being considered when one talks about libertarians?
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You must be pretending that you're presenting real arguments. ****-can the "omfg I'm teh angry" act, you aren't impressing anyone, and you aren't presenting anything except your own irrational hatred, borne of highly polarized partisanry.
 
Lokiate said:
You must be pretending that you're presenting real arguments. ****-can the "omfg I'm teh angry" act, you aren't impressing anyone, and you aren't presenting anything except your own irrational hatred, borne of highly polarized partisanry.
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Partisanry?!?!?!?!?!?! What am I being partisan about? For me to be partisan - there has to be a party worth a tinkers damn involved. Libertarians hardly qualfy. As a political party goes they are not even a pimple on the ass of the body politic.

My hatred of libertarianism is not irrational. It is amazingly rational.
 
haymarket said:
Partisanry?!?!?!?!?!?! What am I being partisan about? For me to be partisan - there has to be a party worth a tinkers damn involved. Libertarians hardly qualfy. As a political party goes they are not even a pimple on the ass of the body politic.
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You aren't disproving anything I've said at all since this is textbook partisanry in and of itself. Plus, I'm pretty sure Libertarian is a legitimate political party, since I registered as Libertarian on my voter registration card.
 
Lokiate said:
You aren't disproving anything I've said at all since this is textbook partisanry in and of itself. Plus, I'm pretty sure Libertarian is a legitimate political party, since I registered as Libertarian on my voter registration card.
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Baloney. For libertarians to be taken seriously as a political party they first have to demonstrate some sort of electability and they have ZERO power to get in high office.

Of course they are a party. However, placing the word LEGITIMATE in front of that word party changes everything. Fact is that your folks cannot even obtain one-half of one percent of the popular vote for President. You have zero elected members of Congress.

The Libertarian Party is not even a pimple on the ass of the body politic. It is irrelevant.

Even with your voters card. ;)
 
It depends on how you define libertarian, you have right and left libertarians, eitherway there is no objective way to measure it.
 
RGacky3 said:
It depends on how you define libertarian, you have right and left libertarians, eitherway there is no objective way to measure it.
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Well, you have libertarians who trace the course of their intellectual heritage through to the foundations of the school of thought in revolutionary syndicalism, and then you have conservatives who don't want to be associated with the terminology.

As far as authentically anti-libertarian Presidents go, it's a toss-up between Wilson and Nixon. Either one works.
 
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