View Poll Results: Most anti-libertarian President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    10 18.18%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    6 10.91%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    20 36.36%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    1 1.82%
  • George W. Bush

    7 12.73%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 3.64%
  • Herbert Hoover

    2 3.64%
  • Barack Obama

    4 7.27%
  • Other

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    This is a poll on the President whose time in office was the most opposite to libertarian ideas and principles.

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    the President whose time in office was the most opposite to libertarian ideas and principles

    Ronald Reagan

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How can Lincoln be anti-Libertarian? The man single handedly ended slavery as an institution in the US. Not sure how you can argue somebody is anti-Libertarian when they removed the very antithesis to Libertarianism from the US landscape.
    The extreme libertarian right would consider Lincoln a radical socialist because he dared interfere with the rights of the powerful to exploit others. If vulgar, far-right libertarianism is the model, then every President who ever used the power of federal government to change something would be a good candidate.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Brilliant. You oppose slavery, yet reject the only moral argument against it. You never disappoint.
    The moral argument against slavery is that people are not property. Does that somehow escape you?
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as I said, I'm unsurprised you see self-ownership as nonsense... but I don't mind that you do, I'm just glad that you are in the severe minority and have been throughout American history.
    What utter nonsense. Could you please present some objective survey data in which a majority of the US population voices affirmative support for the question

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the entertainment value alone is worth it...
    I certainly wish I could say the same about libertarians. Sadly, by the time you learn the new language and all the new terms and new meanings to the old terms, its not much fun at all.

    This nonsense about "owning yourself" is a perfect illustration of the Alice In Wonderland world right libertarians live in,
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I rarely, if ever, see a libertarian defending slavery... slavery ,again,is categorically rejected by libertarianism... I do not condone slavery whatsoever, it is only shadowed ,in being repugnant, by murder.

    I do, however, find it common for libertarians to defend the south's decision and right to secede....i'm one of them myself.

    some are able to separate the issues of secession and slavery.. others, not so much.
    Thak you for explaining that why you will criticize the addition of three plus three you strongly defend eight minus two.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
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    I wonder if y'all realize that by rejecting the concept of self ownership, you necessarily reject the concept of the Social Contract... ponder that for a moment.

    Did I miss the part where you connected those dots on two different pages of two different coloring books?
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    so you too reject self ownership?... interesting.

    2 professional agents of the state rejecting self ownership.. whodathunk it

    I wonder if y'all realize that by rejecting the concept of self ownership, you necessarily reject the concept of the Social Contract... ponder that for a moment.


    what "extremes" are you talking about in terms of libertarians?


    Has absolutely nothing to do with embracing or rejecting self ownership, it does not exist and it never has. Thats a myth that libertarians buy into.
    If we OWNED ourselves, we wouldnt be responsible to anyone or anything for what we did with ourselves. We would have total autonomy do whatever we chose when we chose and whoever we choose. Nonesense, its merely a libertarian talking point that has no purpose.

    Extremes such as your hero Ron Paul wanting to legalize all drugs, thats an example of his self ownership i guess
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What utter nonsense. Could you please present some objective survey data in which a majority of the US population voices affirmative support for the question

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    Yup, Id love to see some factual data to back up that claim.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    I see this conversation has broken down into talks of slavery and ownership of human beings...not exactly where I saw this going, but when you mention Lincoln...I suppose it is an inevitability.

    I am going with the easy choice of FDR. He grew government to proportions that it was never meant to go. The New Deal was a big bureaucratic bust. World War II saved FDR's legacy as that is what people remember most about him along with being elected to four terms.

    As far as the slavery conversation goes...I think we can all agree that it was wrong. Yes?

    Okay..

    As far a self-ownership goes...one should have the right to do to themselves as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on other people. The second you start infringing on the rights of another person is when you are breaking a law. You cannot "own" yourself outright....matter of fact; I don't even like to term it in that way. Individuals don't own themselves, but have rights to themselves.
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