George W. Bush
you might not own yourself, but I claim supreme sovereignty over my body, my thoughts, my choices, and my actions...... simply put.. I am mine,I am not yours.
I do, however, contract or consent to sanctions imposed upon my sovereignty in differing cases , such as when I violate another persons rights.
and no, it's not like being pregnant.. that's asinine.
there is a whole world in between anarchy and totalitarianism...you and me are not the same.
I support the state, in limited and specific capacities, as desirable.. not necessary.
heh The I own myself theory again...sorry you dont own yourself and you never have. You own little pieces that your ALLOWED to own. You were never allowed to do whatever you wanted to do anywhere in history. Theres been laws, duties, taxs and tithing on you and what you own since the beginning of our republic.
Libertarians Thank God are the minority and leaders like the two Pauls are considered nuts by most americans standards approx 90% The kid is even more intensely insane than his father.
Libertarians few very good ideas and ideals are overridden their so many extemes. America will always reject them in total...little pieces will continue to be embraced.
Sorry Libertarians this isnt pre revolution where you can go into the wilderness and live all by yourself and do whatever you choose to do...Society has gotten crowded there is no place to go for solitude except maybe your bathroom, your just going to have to keep on sharing yourself and what you have, just like you've always done and you parents and grandparents before you had to do...
I do, however, find it common for libertarians to defend the south's decision and right to secede....i'm one of them myself.
some are able to separate the issues of secession and slavery.. others, not so much.
2 professional agents of the state rejecting self ownership.. whodathunk it
I wonder if y'all realize that by rejecting the concept of self ownership, you necessarily reject the concept of the Social Contract... ponder that for a moment.
what "extremes" are you talking about in terms of libertarians?
stating that slavery ( the chattel variety) and secession will never occur again is a matter of wishful thinking in itself.
it's an exercise in debate dude.. it's an interesting topic for many.. and it's part of our history... it's good to explore the issues.
any time you can learn something, it's not a waste of time or energy.