View Poll Results: Most anti-libertarian President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    10 18.18%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    6 10.91%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    20 36.36%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    1 1.82%
  • George W. Bush

    7 12.73%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 3.64%
  • Herbert Hoover

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  • Barack Obama

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  • Other

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    I'm gonna go with FDR.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    For cheap, obedient labor to replace disgruntled Whites in sweatshops--the Libertarian ideal of letting those on top make as much as they can trap others into working for, as long as they themselves aren't forced by those they exclude from having liberty. Emancipation parallels the mixed politics of today's illegal-alien discussion, with its Leftist multiculturalism being a smokescreen for the Libertarian idea of hiring whomever they want.
    Are people in sweatshops better off or are they worse off? That is the fundamental question... They made the a rational choice to work there right? Oh wait they were forced through circumstance, I imagine it is better to not work there and starve.

    Libertarians are against slavery, because of individual rights and property rights. You own yourself so obviously no one can own you.
    Last edited by LibertyBurns; 06-15-12 at 03:34 PM.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Libertarians are against slavery, because of individual rights and property rights. You own yourself so obviously no one can own you.
    Obviously that is not true. Hundreds of millions of people have been owned by other people throughout world history.

    What does that mean "you own yourself"?
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Obviously that is not true. Hundreds of millions of people have been owned by other people throughout world history.

    What does that mean "you own yourself"?
    It means people aren't property.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Obviously that is not true. Hundreds of millions of people have been owned by other people throughout world history.

    What does that mean "you own yourself"?
    I never said slavery doesnt, or never did exist. Reread the first four words.

    Now how do you own yourself? This article will help sum it up for you.

    The Economics of Self-Ownership - Michael Rozeff - Mises Daily

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Are people in sweatshops better off or are they worse off? That is the fundamental question... They made the a rational choice to work there right? Oh wait they were forced through circumstance, I imagine it is better to not work there and starve.

    Libertarians are against slavery, because of individual rights and property rights. You own yourself so obviously no one can own you.
    If you own a man's work, you own the man. Libertarians push this illusion about choice because they want to hide from themselves the reality that it's all about power.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    If you own a man's work, you own the man. Libertarians push this illusion about choice because they want to hide from themselves the reality that it's all about power.
    Elaborate?

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    I never said slavery doesnt, or never did exist. Reread the first four words.

    Now how do you own yourself? This article will help sum it up for you.

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    Laissez-faire is a lazy fairy tale.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Laissez-faire is a lazy fairy tale.
    Lol that was actually pretty funny! Lazy answer though

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    I never said slavery doesnt, or never did exist. Reread the first four words.

    Now how do you own yourself? This article will help sum it up for you.

    The Economics of Self-Ownership - Michael Rozeff - Mises Daily
    Which "first four words"

    Libertarians are against slavery, because of individual rights and property rights. You own yourself so obviously no one can own you.
    I could not care less if libertarians are for or against anything. What they believe or do not believe is irrelevant.

    Here is what you said

    You own yourself so obviously no one can own you.
    What utter poppcock. Own yourself? Nonsense. Obviously people were owned and plenty of them. Tell them how they owned themselves so thus nobody could have owned them.

    You talk nonsense. Reality speaks louder than all the libertarians combined.

    This is merely another example of some libertarian whacko coming up with an axiom that is intended to justify knockignng down all the dominoes that he intends to place after it.

    As in , of course you own yourself, so thus... blah blah blah blah blah.

    To have self-ownership is to be able to make one's own choices in all spheres of one's life. Self-ownership amounts to an undiluted right to one's life and the liberty to pursue one's happiness. If one has complete self-ownership, then one is not being aggressed upon. And if one (or one's property) is not being aggressed upon, then one is free to pursue one's own interests and one owns oneself. Therefore, as Rothbard says, the non-aggression axiom is equivalent to the self-ownership axiom.
    You do NOT get to make choices in all spheres of life as long as you live in a society with others. Some of those choices are made for you by others. That is the way our society works. That is the way our government works. And if you refuse to abide by that and it means using aggression upon you- cover up your ass because its gonna get aggressed upon. If you don't like that arrangement, you have the perfect right to withdraw from it and go elsewhere just like the Puritans did in the 1600's.

    I do imagine this is the sort of nonsense that keeps college sophomores who have drunk too much red bull up at 3 am. Everybody else - with the noted exception of libertarians - can just flush it where it belongs.
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