View Poll Results: Most anti-libertarian President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    10 18.18%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    6 10.91%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    20 36.36%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    1 1.82%
  • George W. Bush

    7 12.73%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 3.64%
  • Herbert Hoover

    2 3.64%
  • Barack Obama

    4 7.27%
  • Other

    3 5.45%
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Thomas Jefferson. Libertarians want to form a Hamiltonian elite of self-indulgent, upper-class, paper-empowered greedhead parasites.


    What a load of crap, given the current president has shut down my city for a political fund raiser at sex and the city chick's penthouse Apt, I'd say your cackling about "elites" is a bit misplaced.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How can Lincoln be anti-Libertarian? The man single handedly ended slavery as an institution in the US. Not sure how you can argue somebody is anti-Libertarian when they removed the very antithesis to Libertarianism from the US landscape.
    suspended habeas corpus

    and some would say forcing the south to stay in a voluntary union was the ultimate in anti libertarian attitudes

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How can Lincoln be anti-Libertarian? The man single handedly ended slavery as an institution in the US. Not sure how you can argue somebody is anti-Libertarian when they removed the very antithesis to Libertarianism from the US landscape.
    For one, because removing slavery was only an unintended consequence of his actions. Libertarians would have been abolitionists but they would have also been pro-secession, ala Lysander Spooner. Lincoln grew government enormously, fought a war against secession, and instituted "greenbacks", a fiat currency that caused mass inflation. There are also a great deal of civil liberties violations many would be shocked to learn.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Lincoln grew government enormously, fought a war against secession, and instituted "greenbacks", a fiat currency that caused mass inflation. There are also a great deal of civil liberties violations many would be shocked to learn.
    Also, little known fact. Lincoln was also a vampire hunter.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, etc. etc.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, etc. etc.
    I don't hear Washington and Adams that often.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How can Lincoln be anti-Libertarian? The man single handedly ended slavery as an institution in the US. Not sure how you can argue somebody is anti-Libertarian when they removed the very antithesis to Libertarianism from the US landscape.
    his motivation was not to end slavery, it was to prevent secession. he was clear on that. Killing people to prevent them from self rule is as anti-libertarian as it gets.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I don't hear Washington and Adams that often.
    Look closely at their clamp downs on civil liberties and uprisings and overall government vision.
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 06-14-12 at 06:30 PM.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Look closely at their clamp downs on civil liberties and uprisings.
    True. Off the top of my head, the Whiskey Rebellion and the original Alien and Seditions Acts comes to mind.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    True. Off the top of my head, the Whiskey Rebellion and the original Alien and Seditions Acts comes to mind.
    Then look at their orientation of government's role in ruling over the population. Much of libertarianism is a great deal more friendly toward the anti-Federalists than the Federalists.
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