View Poll Results: Most anti-libertarian President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    10 18.18%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    6 10.91%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    20 36.36%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    1 1.82%
  • George W. Bush

    7 12.73%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 3.64%
  • Herbert Hoover

    2 3.64%
  • Barack Obama

    4 7.27%
  • Other

    3 5.45%
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    .. funny stuff
    but true.... very very true
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there is nothing basic about it to you... yes, I agree.

    you are free to provide a counterargument at any point here.... if you are going to plug your ears and continue to whine " no way, jose"... consider yourself dismissed.
    You do realize that once a premise has been exposed as FALSE, there is no need for any counter argument.

    For something to be OWNED, it must be property.

    Human beings are not property.

    Human beings cannot be owned.

    Now that is basic.

    Your premise about self ownership is thus a FALSE PREMISE and we need not indulge or humor you beyond that revelation.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You do realize that once a premise has been exposed as FALSE, there is no need for any counter argument.

    For something to be OWNED, it must be property.

    Human beings are not property.

    Human beings cannot be owned.

    Now that is basic.

    Your premise about self ownership is thus a FALSE PREMISE and we need not indulge or humor you beyond that revelation.
    That is just stupid. There is a difference between owning yourself and someone owning you.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The South had slavery, the North had sweatshops. If you are concerned about class oppression, which Libertarians are in denial about, the North had no moral superiority. In fact, its leaders were morally inferior by not doing anything about their own kind of slavery. Instead, they launched a hypocritical crusade on the South. Also, Lincoln's policy of the Chickenhawk rich being able to buy their way out of the draft would have appealed to our real-life Libertarians.
    This is very true!

    It's the difference between slavery instituted and protected by government and basic economic coerceion by the private sector.

    In one....the plantation outright owned the slave via government protection.

    In the other...through company owned and provided housing...the company store etc...the private company generally "owned" their workers via debt.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This whole idea of "self ownership" is merely semantic gymnastics being employed by ideological extremists to further an extremist agenda. It is nonsense as I previously pointed out.
    Ideological extremists, huh? I suppose Locke was pretty radical for his time. Even Jefferson admitted that the ownership of slaves was morally reprehensible. Plus, I didn't see you point anything out, you just yelled at some guy, and claimed victory. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    HItler, Stalin and Idi Amin considered their principles immoral? I wasnt aware of that. It might be news to you, but an immoral act falls under umbrella of morality too.
    Actually, all three considered morality to be irrelevant. They considered themselves to be practical people, not moral people

    It may be news to you, but not everyone feels obligated to act morally
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    questioning my patriotism I see..... it's a great tactic.... it totally works.
    It works only when the claim is accurate.

    And I see your response has been "liked" by a poster who claims its immoral for the govt to use force to make him obey the law, which lends credibility to the claim
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then he should have said it like you said it and not as he said it.

    This whole idea of "self ownership" is merely semantic gymnastics being employed by ideological extremists to further an extremist agenda. It is nonsense as I previously pointed out.

    I have no idea what you mean when you mention "authoritarian statist". What does that mean and who are you referring to? I am no more an authoritatian statist than you are. Or did you convert to anarchism over night?
    The free-market freebooters' goal with this "self-ownership" lazy-fairy tale is that if we let ourselves get controlled, it is our own fault and we can't blame anyone who has more power than us; we just made the wrong choices. Their hypocritical attack on authoritarian statism is designed to hide the existence of their desired totalitarian capitalism, which they believe is impossible because we are all self-owned and are only whining if we claim that some people are more self-owned than others. Their heroes, of course, get their unrestricted self-ownership by owning others through forcing them into lesser-evil "choices."
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there is nothing basic about it to you... yes, I agree.

    you are free to provide a counterargument at any point here.... if you are going to plug your ears and continue to whine " no way, jose"... consider yourself dismissed.
    In the Libertarian Dictionary, "basic" is defined as "Any idea Libertarians are unable to justify with logic"
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The free-market freebooters' goal with this "self-ownership" lazy-fairy tale is that if we let ourselves get controlled, it is our own fault and we can't blame anyone who has more power than us; we just made the wrong choices. Their hypocritical attack on authoritarian statism is designed to hide the existence of their desired totalitarian capitalism, which they believe is impossible because we are all self-owned and are only whining if we claim that some people are more self-owned than others. Their heroes, of course, get their unrestricted self-ownership by owning others through forcing them into lesser-evil "choices."
    I love individuals such as yourself! They try to grasp reality, yet somehow fail to grasp that which is just in front of them! Okay, i gather your not a lazy-fairy tale supporter. What economic policy do you support? Please answer the question and dont spit out ignorant philosophies... The last part of your little rant holds no validility... Next time you have something worth reading please feel free to respond, until then please refrain from wasting other peoples times... Though when i say this, you have the freedom of speech, the only thing im against in this aspect is your ignorance of the subjects of which you speak.

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