View Poll Results: Most anti-libertarian President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    10 18.18%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    6 10.91%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    20 36.36%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    1 1.82%
  • George W. Bush

    7 12.73%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 3.64%
  • Herbert Hoover

    2 3.64%
  • Barack Obama

    4 7.27%
  • Other

    3 5.45%
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    correct, there is no doubt you believe it.
    Believing in the truth is easy.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I beg to differ sir. People get owned here all the time-indeed pwned as the case may be
    A very different meaning to the word.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How can Lincoln be anti-Libertarian? The man single handedly ended slavery as an institution in the US. Not sure how you can argue somebody is anti-Libertarian when they removed the very antithesis to Libertarianism from the US landscape.
    Libertarianism is narrowly focused on limited government. It turns a blind eye to threats to freedom that come from the private sector. That's it's Achilles heel. For example, today, libertarians are essentially fighting to submit the people to rule by corporations by fighting against the only constraints placed on those corporations- the government.

    Lincoln fought against state's rights, he sought to impose the moral anti-slavery values of the majority on the south, and he greatly expanded federal power.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Property is owned. A person is NOT property.

    Your premise is a false one.
    it's not my premise.... it's a premise( some say it's axiomatic) that predates me by hundreds and hundreds of years.....

    if it is false, why are you impotent to refute it?

    do you believe in the concept of the social contract haymarket?

    do I have to educate you on the concept of ownership too?... please tell me you are about to do something for yourself

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Believing in the truth is easy.
    what truth?

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what truth?
    The Truth according to the Gospel of Saints Karl, Barack and Franklin

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is nothing BASIC about it. Its a false premise.
    there is nothing basic about it to you... yes, I agree.

    you are free to provide a counterargument at any point here.... if you are going to plug your ears and continue to whine " no way, jose"... consider yourself dismissed.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The Truth according to the Gospel of Saints Karl, Barack and Franklin
    Oh, I don't think any of them would consider me unpatriotic...that kind of stuff is left for the ignorant ones on the internet.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Libertarianism is narrowly focused on limited government. It turns a blind eye to threats to freedom that come from the private sector. That's it's Achilles heel. For example, today, libertarians are essentially fighting to submit the people to rule by corporations by fighting against the only constraints placed on those corporations- the government.

    Lincoln fought against state's rights, he sought to impose the moral anti-slavery values of the majority on the south, and he greatly expanded federal power.
    .. funny stuff

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's not my premise.... it's a premise( some say it's axiomatic) that predates me by hundreds and hundreds of years.....

    if it is false, why are you impotent to refute it?

    do you believe in the concept of the social contract haymarket?

    do I have to educate you on the concept of ownership too?... please tell me you are about to do something for yourself
    By all means do educate me on your own self imposed belief system.
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