View Poll Results: Most anti-libertarian President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    10 18.18%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    6 10.91%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    20 36.36%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    1 1.82%
  • George W. Bush

    7 12.73%
  • Richard Nixon

    2 3.64%
  • Herbert Hoover

    2 3.64%
  • Barack Obama

    4 7.27%
  • Other

    3 5.45%
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Stuff and nonsense.

    You make statements then wilt and wither from them when shown to be absurd.

    You call names because you were caught saying ridiculous stuff and shown up on it.
    I still stand by the statement, i just have to explain it to the slow individuals that cant grasp the concept of what im actually saying.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post

    No libertarian says its bad he freed slaves, on the contrary, thats the ONLY good thing he did.
    You have forgotten preserving the union.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Yup, Id love to see some factual data to back up that claim.
    it's doubtful there is a poll available for the question.... just as there is no poll for " do you breathe air?"

    the concept of self ownership is widely accepted throughout society and our system.. it is the basis for all individual rights.. it is the basis for justice... and it is the basis for most laws.

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    I still stand by the statement, i just have to explain it to the slow individuals that cant grasp the concept of what im actually saying.
    If the individuals to whom you are attempting to explain this are "slow" perhaps it is the person doing the explaining that is the actual problem? Either that or he is attempting to "explain" something that is utter bunk to begin with.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have forgotten preserving the union.
    that is not an objective "good thing".

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's doubtful there is a poll available for the question.... just as there is no poll for " do you breathe air?"

    the concept of self ownership is widely accepted throughout society and our system.. it is the basis for all individual rights.. it is the basis for justice... and it is the basis for most laws.
    By all means - do present evidence of the majority supporting your claim. I and others here would love to see it.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that is not an objective "good thing".
    An American patriot would see it differently.

    Which explains why a right libertarian sees it as you do.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If the individuals to whom you are attempting to explain this are "slow" perhaps it is the person doing the explaining that is the actual problem? Either that or he is attempting to "explain" something that is utter bunk to begin with.
    why am I not allowed to kill you, or beat you, or enslave you?

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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    why am I not allowed to kill you, or beat you, or enslave you?
    But you can indeed do those things. People do them every day. Remember? You own yourself. So you can order yourself to kill or maim or steal or enslave or anything else you want to order yourself to do.

    And people do those things every day of the week.
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    Re: Most anti-libertarian Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Principles? I do not know what those are. Perhaps you can explain them to me? I simply go by reality of the world we live in.
    Any rational creature requires moral principles to guide its actions. So you are either admitting that you are not rational or that you do follow certain principles but are afraid to name them. While it is tempting for me to assume the former, I am going to have to go with the latter. After all, you want law to follow some sort of principles, right? So dont play dumb. Now, you claim that people are not property. Yet I can sell you my labor. Why? Because my labor belongs to me. Hopefully you dont dispute that. Now answer the question as to why that labor belongs to me, and we will go from there.

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