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Worst US President?

Worst US President

  • Warren G. Harding

    Votes: 4 7.8%

  • Andrew Johnson

    Votes: 4 7.8%

  • James Buchanan

    Votes: 6 11.8%

  • Herbert Hoover

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Franklin Pierce

    Votes: 2 3.9%

  • Ulysses S. Grant

    Votes: 2 3.9%

  • Franklin Roosevelt

    Votes: 9 17.6%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 6 11.8%

  • George W. Bush

    Votes: 13 25.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 7.8%
  • Total voters
    51
GWB and Obama shouldn't be on the list yet. not enough time has passed, and most assessments at this point will be emotion based.
 
Helix said:
GWB and Obama shouldn't be on the list yet. not enough time has passed, and most assessments at this point will be emotion based.
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Once again, I agree, they shouldn't be. However, I just tried to put the ones up there most likely to get chosen, no matter how illogical and emotional it could be.
 
I am undecided between Grant, Buchanan, and Pierce
 
Phys251 said:
James Buchanan.

The mess that George W. left for Obama? Magnify that times about a hundred, and that's what Buchanan did to Lincoln.
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I don't recall but did Lincoln continually blame Buchanan for the conditions he inherited?
 
I suspect you could flip a coin between Harding and Nixon because of the Watergate episode and what he put the nation through.

Harding was simply an incompetent and disgusting fool. Nixon was a sad and tragic figure because he did do some rather bold things like the China break through.

Okay - its Harding because there was nothing redeemable about the man.
 
Phys251 said:
James Buchanan.

The mess that George W. left for Obama? Magnify that times about a hundred, and that's what Buchanan did to Lincoln.
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In John Updike's Memoirs of the Ford Administration, in which the main character is doing a book on Buchanan, he doesn't come out that bad. The regional conflict had been mishandled by most of the Presidents before Lincoln.
 
Wow, surprised Woodrow Wilson wasn't on the list. I have to pick other.

Obviously, his legacy is being the President that got us into WW1. Most people assume we were right to join in, but the Germany of that time had nothing to do with Hitler's Germany. WW1 was an internal dispute, and we had no reason to go in. For Wilson's part, he campaigned on staying out but went in on purpose. He created the first propaganda department. He got Congress to pass a Seditions Act of 1918. Then he sought to centralize the globe with the League of Nations and his 14 points, which would result in loss of sovereignty. The end result of the war was 100,000 dead...for nothing.

Of course, Wilson also got the 16th and 17th amendment's, and the Federal Reserve. Of course, there was farm subsidies, anti-trust legislation, union laws, etc. Also, Wilson was a terrible anti-black racist.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060592321 said:
I don't recall but did Lincoln continually blame Buchanan for the conditions he inherited?
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What the hell does that matter? Abraham Lincoln saved the United States of America. He had every right to blame his spineless predecessor for letting the Union fall apart.
 
PrometheusBound said:
In John Updike's Memoirs of the Ford Administration, in which the main character is doing a book on Buchanan, he doesn't come out that bad. The regional conflict had been mishandled by most of the Presidents before Lincoln.
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Well, true. It wasn't just Buchanan. We had several bad presidents in a row right when we needed nothing less than top-of-the-line. Thank god we got the man for the hour during the Civil War, however.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
Wow, surprised Woodrow Wilson wasn't on the list. I have to pick other.

Obviously, his legacy is being the President that got us into WW1. Most people assume we were right to join in, but the Germany of that time had nothing to do with Hitler's Germany. WW1 was an internal dispute, and we had no reason to go in. For Wilson's part, he campaigned on staying out but went in on purpose. He created the first propaganda department. He got Congress to pass a Seditions Act of 1918. Then he sought to centralize the globe with the League of Nations and his 14 points, which would result in loss of sovereignty. The end result of the war was 100,000 dead...for nothing.

Of course, Wilson also got the 16th and 17th amendment's, and the Federal Reserve. Of course, there was farm subsidies, anti-trust legislation, union laws, etc. Also, Wilson was a terrible anti-black racist.
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wilson was the quintessential turd
 
NotEliTanenbaum said:
Nah, for WWII the total dead ranges from 50-70 million. WWI was about 20 million deaths.
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I wonder how much of that was actual casualties versus disease, starvation etc.

I did read that WWI was the first war where actual battle inflicted wounds caused more deaths than say stuff like Cholera, dysentery or other such nastiness that struck down hundreds of thousands in the civil war etc
 
I voted for FDR. No other President has ever done as much as he did to undermine the Constitution, and the principles upon which it was written. he set the stage for the federal government to grow outside the bounds that the Constitution set for it, and into the bloated, out-of-control monstrosity that it now is. I suppose it can be argued that some other Presidents since him have done more damage than he did directly, but I would say that they only did so by building upon the precedents that were set under FDR.


TurtleDude said:
DiAnna said:
Eh, I'm no history buff so I'm left with those presidents in my lifetime. It's almost a tossup between Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush, but since Bush had twice as long to **** things up and got us into two decades-long wars, George W. has my vote.
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some have argued that if Carter had squashed the violation of our sovereignty we'd have far less cockroaches pissing on our boots over there now
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I'll argue more specifically along these lines. The very best ally that we ever had in the Muslim-dominated part of the world, up to that point, was the Shah of Iran. Carter betrayed and abandoned the Shah, allowing him to be overthrown, and that nation taken over by a gang of radical Muslims who were the forbears of all the Islamic terrorist groups that have troubled us since then. These terrorists never before controlled an entire nation and its resources, until they controlled Iran. From there, they have spread like a foul disease across that part of the world.

All the trouble that we have had since then with Islamic-based terrorism all stems from this one failure on Carter's part. Had he continued to support the Shah; or failing that, if he had taken strong military action to completely exterminate the Khomeniacs before they had the chance to spread their disease beyond the borders of Iran, none of the Islamic terrorism that we've been fighting ever since then would have happened. The 9/11 attacks would not have happened, and we would never have had any reason to have gone to war in that region.

Islamic terrorism is like a cancer, that Carter had the chance to destroy while it was still an isolated, discrete tumor. Instead, he allowed it to metastasize and spread, and now, almost four decades later, we are still suffering the increasing consequences of this failure.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I voted for FDR. No other President has ever done as much as he did to undermine the Constitution, and the principles upon which it was written. he set the stage for the federal government to grow outside the bounds that the Constitution set for it, and into the bloated, out-of-control monstrosity that it now is. I suppose it can be argued that some other Presidents since him have done more damage than he did directly, but I would say that they only did so by building upon the precedents that were set under FDR.




I'll argue more specifically along these lines. The very best ally that we ever had in the Muslim-dominated part of the world, up to that point, was the Shah of Iran. Carter betrayed and abandoned the Shah, allowing him to be overthrown, and that nation taken over by a gang of radical Muslims who were the forbears of all the Islamic terrorist groups that have troubled us since then. These terrorists never before controlled an entire nation and its resources, until they controlled Iran. From there, they have spread like a foul disease across that part of the world.

All the trouble that we have had since then with Islamic-based terrorism all stems from this one failure on Carter's part. Had he continued to support the Shah; or failing that, if he had taken strong military action to completely exterminate the Khomeniacs before they had the chance to spread their disease beyond the borders of Iran, none of the Islamic terrorism that we've been fighting ever since then would have happened. The 9/11 attacks would not have happened, and we would never have had any reason to have gone to war in that region.

Islamic terrorism is like a cancer, that Carter had the chance to destroy while it was still an isolated, discrete tumor. Instead, he allowed it to metastasize and spread, and now, almost four decades later, we are still suffering the increasing consequences of this failure.
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that is pretty much the game set match on that issue
 
FDR by a landslide.

He was probably the worst human being ever named to the presidency. You could write thousands and thousands of pages depicting his black heart.

I feel the way in which he obtained his third term alone speaks volumes about the type of person he was - a power hungry monster.
 
ARealConservative said:
FDR by a landslide.

He was probably the worst human being ever named to the presidency. You could write thousands and thousands of pages depicting his black heart.

I feel the way in which he obtained his third term alone speaks volumes about the type of person he was - a power hungry monster.
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My early prediction seems right on the money. :cool:
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060592321 said:
I don't recall but did Lincoln continually blame Buchanan for the conditions he inherited?
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You mean like Bush blamed Clinton for his whole first term?

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Phys251 said:
Well, true. It wasn't just Buchanan. We had several bad presidents in a row right when we needed nothing less than top-of-the-line. Thank god we got the man for the hour during the Civil War, however.
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Lincoln would have provoked the Civil War if elected at any time between 1789 and 1860. The South seceded because of his election.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I voted for FDR. No other President has ever done as much as he did to undermine the Constitution, and the principles upon which it was written. he set the stage for the federal government to grow outside the bounds that the Constitution set for it, and into the bloated, out-of-control monstrosity that it now is. I suppose it can be argued that some other Presidents since him have done more damage than he did directly, but I would say that they only did so by building upon the precedents that were set under FDR.




I'll argue more specifically along these lines. The very best ally that we ever had in the Muslim-dominated part of the world, up to that point, was the Shah of Iran. Carter betrayed and abandoned the Shah, allowing him to be overthrown, and that nation taken over by a gang of radical Muslims who were the forbears of all the Islamic terrorist groups that have troubled us since then. These terrorists never before controlled an entire nation and its resources, until they controlled Iran. From there, they have spread like a foul disease across that part of the world.

All the trouble that we have had since then with Islamic-based terrorism all stems from this one failure on Carter's part. Had he continued to support the Shah; or failing that, if he had taken strong military action to completely exterminate the Khomeniacs before they had the chance to spread their disease beyond the borders of Iran, none of the Islamic terrorism that we've been fighting ever since then would have happened. The 9/11 attacks would not have happened, and we would never have had any reason to have gone to war in that region.

Islamic terrorism is like a cancer, that Carter had the chance to destroy while it was still an isolated, discrete tumor. Instead, he allowed it to metastasize and spread, and now, almost four decades later, we are still suffering the increasing consequences of this failure.
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Terrorism is the military branch of jihadist OPEC. So it was Nixon who blew the chance to nip it in the bud by occupying the oilfields to stop the 1973 embargo, which he wanted to do but was forced to back down. More effectively defining jihad as "any time Muslims have the power to wage it," it lasted from the beginning of Islam until September 11,1683, after which the Polish king, John Sobieski, extinguished their fire at Vienna.

Shocked that nobody has pointed out that it was the same date that Al Qaida chose? Coincidence or not, it still should have been pointed out. Suspicious? Don't be. There are NO! powerful interests behind letting the Arabs gouge us. That's what the media are paid to say, so it must be worth something to say it. Money talks, and that's all you hear.
 
I can't help but place this question in the context of today...considering where we were when he left office, the untruths, and the changes in our system.....I need to choose "W'.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Lincoln would have provoked the Civil War if elected at any time between 1789 and 1860. The South seceded because of his election.
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Oh not this again...The South was just looking for an excuse to go. Lincoln's perfectly legal, perfectly legitimate election was just their excuse.
 
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