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  • Warren G. Harding

    4 5.06%
  • Andrew Johnson

    5 6.33%
  • James Buchanan

    7 8.86%
  • Herbert Hoover

    2 2.53%
  • Franklin Pierce

    2 2.53%
  • Ulysses S. Grant

    2 2.53%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    9 11.39%
  • Barack Obama

    12 15.19%
  • George W. Bush

    21 26.58%
  • Other

    15 18.99%
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    Re: Worst US President?

    Those who voted for FDR, Bush or Obama are either hacks or ignorant of US history.

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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I certainly agree about the Japanese internment camps.

    But ruining the nation? Are you kidding me? He won WW2. He took us out of the Great Depression. Virtually every highway in the country today was built during FDR's administration. He extended electricity to large parts of the country that didn't have it before. He established the foundations of the regulation of wall street...

    During his administration we went from being a second world country teetering down towards third world status and occupation by the Nazis to being perhaps the greatest economic and military powerhouse the world has ever seen. To describe that as ruining the country is so far beyond absurd that I don't even know what to say to it. It's totally insane to claim that. Abjectly disconnected from reality.
    This. A thousand times this. One would think that if conservatives couldn't give him credit for pulling us out of the Great Depression, at least they could give him credit for his leadership throughout most of WWII.
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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And the highway system - that was Ike.
    That was the Interstate highway system. The US highway system came well before that.
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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Absolutely false. The Nazis surrendered unconditionally less than one month after the end of FDR's presidency. Berlin fell just a few days after the end of FDR's term.
    Hate to break it to you, but the Nazis weren't the only AXIS power we were fighting in WWII. The Japanese didn't surrender until Truman dropped the bombs. After FDr was dead and buried.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I understand that your theories would lead you to believe that his approach would not have worked. But in fact it did. Large portions of the country didn't have electricity before and now they do.
    Don't know much about The REA or those times do ya? Those areas DID have electricity, and it was speading. But it wasn't centralized (a big word, much sought after back then, the politicians loved it like they love "green" now - sometime we'll have to discuss how Stalin, with help from GE, used that to rule Russia). The thing was, their electricity was self generated (typically by wind turbine, though there was some small hydro). They used DC (12/24/26 volt appliances). The REA made them give that up - for life.

    America was electrifying on it's own already. The REA helped to centralize that and put it under central control. A good deal for the farmers, because they got a wire dropped to them and juice for years for free. Their children however, became slaves to the utility companies and no longer knew how to generate their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    We had widespread famine, here in the United States, in the early 30s. Estimates are that over 1 million Americans starved to death in that period. We lost roughly 30% of our entire GDP in just three years. How you can not consider that a second world country in a spiral totally baffles me.
    You really need to took into some history courses. Never heard of the Dust Bowl? There's alot of whys and wherefores about the Dust Bowl that might surprise you. Like why the farmers were growing there to begin with, and how the water problem was solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The lowest point our GDP hit was the last quarter of 1932. FDR took office in the first quarter of 1933.
    As America was on it's way back up. Again, there are citations that his programs helped that recovery, just as there are citations that they slowed that recovery.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Theories are nice and all, but when they consistently fail to align with what happens in reality, they need to be discarded. Were you aware, for example, that even excluding FDR's spectacular results, the economy has grown by 2.78% on average ever since then when we've had Democratic presidents, but only 1.64% when we've had Republican presidents? Almost all Democrats have outperformed almost all Republicans.
    That shows a total lack of how the American system of government works. That's like the old rapist nun correlation (Statistics 101), where the rise in rapes matched the increase in new nuns for the same area. It's a false correlation. Presidents propose, Congress enacts.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's fair enough to be sure. Certainly there are some things about FDR that I don't approve of, and certainly his accomplishments can get inflated. But to say that he ruined the country?! That's just ridiculous. There is no president in modern history that has a stronger claim to bigger accomplishments than FDR does.
    I disagree with that last. I think Ike did far more for the country than FDR. But I don't think FDR "ruined the country". He changed it, that's for sure. Not all of those changes were good and we're sufferring from some of them today. Some of his changes were good.

    He created and enabled the forerunner of the dirty tricks CIA and was all in on that. Was that a good thing?
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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Hate to break it to you, but the Nazis weren't the only AXIS power we were fighting in WWII. The Japanese didn't surrender until Truman dropped the bombs. After FDr was dead and buried.
    But are you honestly saying that you think that therefore Truman gets more credit than FDR? That's absurd. FDR won the war. Truman cleaned up the leftovers.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That shows a total lack of how the American system of government works. That's like the old rapist nun correlation (Statistics 101), where the rise in rapes matched the increase in new nuns for the same area. It's a false correlation. Presidents propose, Congress enacts.
    Not really. The president's agenda has a massive impact on the legislative direction. FDR pushed through tons and tons of major legislation. Most presidents do. The congress knows the president can veto, and its pretty rare that congress can override a veto, and the president has the ear of the nation in a way congress does not. So the Congress knows it needs to play ball.

    And also, not everything is legislative. How the law is administered is also a huge deal. Commerce, the FTC, the FDA, the SEC, the EPA, etc, all have a massive economic impact and they are under the direction of the president.

    I mean, really, are you going to contend that it is just a super huge coincidence that the economy has so consistently and dramatically performed so much better under Democratic presidents? If it were just a sample of one or two, sure, that could just be a coincidence... But we're talking about all of modern US history.
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    Re: Worst US President?

    I think I remember reading some pretty solid consensus among historians that Warren G. Harding takes this title pretty easily.

    "I am not fit for this office and should never have been here." - W.G. Harding

    That is almost redeeming, when I think about it. He was very corrupt.

    That's not to say that I have nice things to say about Dubya Bush, Obama or FDR though. They all suck, by my standards.
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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Those who voted for FDR, Bush or Obama are either hacks or ignorant of US history.
    those who don't see any merits in putting FDR on the list are bigger hacks.

    I don't have a problem with people disagreeing, but anybody that calls me a hack is full of ****.

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    Re: Worst US President?

    There is a clear problem which reflects on the DP membership. It shows that most DP posters have no sense of history. FDR, by no means could even be considered the worst.There is a tiny chance that Bush II and Obama might be in that league. Neither has reached objective history

    I don not wish to estrange anybody unnecessarily. but without a historical perspective on historic legacies, this kind of talk is useless as regards the subject.

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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    There is a clear problem which reflects on the DP membership. It shows that most DP posters have no sense of history. FDR, by no means could even be considered the worst.There is a tiny chance that Bush II and Obama might be in that league. Neither has reached objective history

    I don not wish to estrange anybody unnecessarily. but without a historical perspective on historic legacies, this kind of talk is useless as regards the subject.
    How about making an actual argument instead of just calling people ignorant?
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    Re: Worst US President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    those who don't see any merits in putting FDR on the list are bigger hacks.

    I don't have a problem with people disagreeing, but anybody that calls me a hack is full of ****.
    Perhaps the other option then, ignorant of American history.

    I am conservative/libertarian, but my reading of American history leaves me a great deal of doubt about considering FDR as the worst president.

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